Evidence of meeting #38 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was homelessness.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Patty Hajdu  Minister of Jobs and Families
Wright  Deputy Minister of Labour and Associate Deputy Minister of Employment and Social Development, Department of Employment and Social Development
Thompson  Deputy Minister, Department of Employment and Social Development
Clarkson  President and Chief Executive Officer, Calgary Drop-In and Rehab Centre Society
Beauregard  Coordinator, Table Itinérance Rive-Sud

10 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Calgary Drop-In and Rehab Centre Society

Sandra Clarkson

The encampment funding was incredibly beneficial. We had a challenge in Calgary. We spun up an encampment shelter, working in partnership with two other service organizations that did outreach. One was indigenous-focused and the other was transitional housing for people leaving encampments.

In an eight-month period, the outcomes in that program were extremely high. Unfortunately, the funding ended and then started up again for just another one-year period. It's really difficult to run a program for six or eight months without multi-year funding. I would recommend that multi-year funding and operationally sustainable funding be considered on the encampment side.

10 a.m.

Coordinator, Table Itinérance Rive-Sud

Gilles Beauregard

We are in the same situation. Responses to funding requests arrive late, so when we set up the program from September to March, the bulk of the work is done in the summer. As Ms. Clarkson said, we're glad there's funding, but if it were possible to have a longer period, that would provide more visibility.

We mustn't forget that we're developing new programs, but this is still an evolving phenomenon that isn't easy to contain.

So, the answer to your question is yes, but we want greater predictability.

10 a.m.

Liberal

Caroline Desrochers Liberal Trois-Rivières, QC

Perfect. Thank you.

Mr. Beauregard, you mentioned the study by the Union of Quebec Municipalities stating that a homeless person costs the government approximately $70,000 per year.

We know that the support of the provinces across Canada is not even...with respect to coming to the table with wraparound services. I'd like to hear from you, Ms. Clarkson—because I'm very familiar with the situation in Quebec—about Alberta and other provinces that you'd be familiar with in respect of that piece about the support for transition. In Build Canada Homes, we have $1 billion, but it is predicated on the provinces coming to the table and providing support.

Give a short answer, please.

May 28th, 2026 / 10:05 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Calgary Drop-In and Rehab Centre Society

Sandra Clarkson

The provincial partnership is absolutely critical. Ideally, we're working towards the same outcomes.

In the province of Alberta, the encampment funding is a very great example. For that bilateral funding agreement, it took quite a long time to work through the details. You're right that there has to be coordination between the federal and provincial governments if we're going to really make a dent in this issue.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Desrochers.

Ms. Larouche, you have the floor for two minutes and thirty seconds.

Andréanne Larouche Bloc Shefford, QC

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Beauregard, let's go back briefly to what I was saying about funding needs. These have been quantified: for example, every year, just for the CDC Haut-Richelieu-Rouville, there is a shortfall of just over $900,000 across the entire region to maintain current services. In terms of intervention, I'm thinking of groups like Actions Dépendances, Maison Oxygène Haut-Richelieu, Passe-moi la puck, or POSA/Source des Monts. Five services and three organizations are currently at risk and may have to close or scale back their operations by March 31, 2027. I received this information earlier this week.

As for the program to end encampments, at the beginning of the year, I brought together people from various organizations that benefit from it: Auberge sous mon toit, Le Passant, and Partage Notre-Dame in Granby. Last fall, there was talk that it might not be renewed after March 31. Ultimately, funds were allocated. However, how does this kind of uncertainty and lack of predictability hinder your organizations and the work you do?

10:05 a.m.

Coordinator, Table Itinérance Rive-Sud

Gilles Beauregard

Renewal takes place on March 31. When we haven't heard anything by March 1, for example, that means we have to tell the members of the current teams that they may no longer have a job and that we're going to give them their 4%. So, we lose the expertise of these people, who are connected to the field and to our community. I'll say it again: Relationships with people are the foundation. We work on policy, but it's the people on our teams who are out in the field every day.

It's a major problem when we lack predictability. It creates uncertainty. During January and February, workers tell themselves they'll look for another job elsewhere. I don't know if you've ever worked with homeless people; it's not easy. So, we need reliable people. We can't afford to be changing staff on a daily basis.

Predictability is one of our expectations. Could we have agreements not just for one year, but for two or three years—or as long as possible—so that we can develop appropriate programs? Often, these appropriate programs are built over time.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Ms. Larouche.

Ms. Falk, you have five minutes.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster—Meadow Lake, SK

Thank you very much, Chair.

I'd like to thank the witnesses for taking the time to be here to share their experiences with us. I also want to thank you guys for doing the hard work and recognizing the dignity of a person, because people have dignity. Know that I really appreciate that and the work you're doing. I find sometimes this place is very black and white, and that's not life. Life is literally the grey.

A lot of policies are boxed into the idea that you either fit here or fit there, and if you don't fit into either one, then it's “too bad, so sad”. It's important that we have the grey area and have people recognizing the importance of it, because I believe that's where real change and transformation happen. When we look at the dignity of the person, we should meet them where they're at and give them a hand-up.

That's obviously in conjunction with the provincial and municipal governments, with wraparound services. That's also essential to this. I always use the saying that you can take a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. It's the same with us. We can do everything, but if the will is not there.... That's why we meet people where they're at and help to ignite that. I want to thank you guys for doing what you're doing.

My first question is for Ms. Clarkson.

From your perspective at the Calgary Drop-In Centre, how has homelessness in Calgary evolved over time in terms of who is coming through your doors and the challenges they are presenting?

10:10 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Calgary Drop-In and Rehab Centre Society

Sandra Clarkson

It certainly has changed considerably in the last 10 years. As I mentioned earlier in my statement, given the increase in the impact of the toxic drug supply and the amount of addiction we're seeing, compounded with mental health issues, the complexity is unlike anything any of us ever could have predicted. It's highlighting the gaps in the mental health system and the health care system.

At the Calgary Drop-In Centre, we really and truly are the catch-all. We work with people nobody else will, and the work is getting harder and harder. Although we're really good at getting people housed as quickly and as sustainably as possible, there are more and more folks showing up with real complexities and there is nowhere for them to go. We really need to address that.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster—Meadow Lake, SK

Are you seeing more people, then, with comorbidities?

10:10 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Calgary Drop-In and Rehab Centre Society

Sandra Clarkson

I would say yes, 100%. It's the complexity of mental health and addictions and, with that, hypoxic brain injuries from repeated overdoses, etc.—

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster—Meadow Lake, SK

Yes. There are unintended consequences.

10:10 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Calgary Drop-In and Rehab Centre Society

Sandra Clarkson

—where there is not a lot of rehabilitative runway.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster—Meadow Lake, SK

I don't know if you're able to answer this question, but how much of the current demand is tied to housing affordability versus health-related factors such as mental health issues and substance abuse?

10:10 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Calgary Drop-In and Rehab Centre Society

Sandra Clarkson

Well, I think ultimately housing is the answer to homelessness.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster—Meadow Lake, SK

Yes, for sure.

10:10 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Calgary Drop-In and Rehab Centre Society

Sandra Clarkson

We can't get away from that.

Certainly in the city of Calgary, the number of deeply affordable.... Affordable is great, but that's not meeting the need of this population. It's deeply affordable and supportive housing that is a critical component and is currently significantly underserved.

In addition to the health supports you're talking about, right now we're undergoing a study. We're looking at what it would take to house everybody at the Calgary Drop-In Centre tomorrow. We're doing a really deep dive into what the housing and support needs are of every individual. We're estimating that right now, out of the average shelter population of about 800 individuals per night, over 200 of them require some of the higher level of support, and some need the 24-7 high-needs support.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster—Meadow Lake, SK

Do you guys track long-term outcomes?

10:10 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Calgary Drop-In and Rehab Centre Society

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster—Meadow Lake, SK

Do you have any information that you can table with this committee, even if you don't have it with you today, on what the success rate is for people staying housed in the long term after they leave?

10:10 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Calgary Drop-In and Rehab Centre Society

Sandra Clarkson

Yes. What I can share is that since 2018, when we started shifting our focus to being housing-focused, our return-to-shelter rate has been less than 5%, and we've housed close to 4,000 people.

10:10 a.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster—Meadow Lake, SK

That's awesome. Thank you very much.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Ms. Falk.

That's a very impressive outcome, Ms. Clarkson.

We will conclude with Mr. Joseph.

You have the floor for five minutes.

Natilien Joseph Liberal Longueuil—Saint-Hubert, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I will echo your remarks.

Ms. Clarkson, thank you very much for being here and for the work you do.

Mr. Beauregard, I also thank you for the work you have been doing for over 40 years.

Ms. Clarkson, I would like to ask you two more specific questions about youth homelessness. What percentage of young people in your community are experiencing homelessness? In your experience, how do young people end up experiencing homelessness?