I haven't had that kind of dialogue with the government, to be fair, so I haven't seen numbers that suggest that this was.... I think these policies didn't have the negative consequences that I'm arguing they did. Obviously, the previous federal government did change direction on some of the policies, as was already noted.
I have interactions with researchers at IRCC, and I know that the government has been concerned about getting the non-permanent population rate down from around 7.2%, if I remember correctly, to under 5%. I would say that 5% is historically extremely high, so we went from an even more extremely high level down to that.