I've definitely seen, from ESDC or other departments, investment in organizations like ours, which we greatly appreciate, but certainly the last government did cut funding. It was said that they didn't cut funding; it was that they were just oversubscribed. To me, that was hard to hear, because that means they cut funding from organizations like ours and gave it to new organizations. That was a mistake, I think, because they don't understand that it means not only cuts. We then have to lay off people, pay severance and pay leases that we don't have programs for.
If programs work and you're reaching your targets, they should at least be maintained or continued, but then, as I said before, I've seen organizations that get tens of millions and, again, have these round tables, fancy websites and 17 executives for every position. In our organization, my VPs wear three or four hats, like IT and programs. They do three or four things because we know every dollar saved can go to help youth.
I have seen that and I am hoping, through today, we will all agree that more should be done for organizations that have real impact, and I think it's important to look at what real impact is. I go back to the—