Citizenship and Immigration Committee on March 29th, 2007

[Rahim Jaffer, Conservative, Edmonton Strathcona, AB]

You didn't rule me out of order. I had the floor.

[The Chair, Conservative, Norman Doyle]

You can move your amendment.

[Rahim Jaffer, Conservative, Edmonton Strathcona, AB]

I'll move my amendment accordingly, and it's seconded by....

[The Chair, Conservative, Norman Doyle]

You have already moved the amendment, according to the clerk.

[Rahim Jaffer, Conservative, Edmonton Strathcona, AB]

Well, then, there you go.

[Dan McTeague, Liberal, Pickering—Scarborough East, ON]

On a point of order, Chair, I just made the same substantive request. You accepted that this was already made. It's abundantly clear now that Mr. Jaffer did not in fact make the motion. He can make his motion now, and then we go to the list of speakers.

[The Chair, Conservative, Norman Doyle]

He has made his motion.

[Dan McTeague, Liberal, Pickering—Scarborough East, ON]

Did he or did he not?

[The Clerk]

I can clarify this for the committee, if they wish.

[The Chair, Conservative, Norman Doyle]

Okay. I'm going to go to the clerk to clarify that for the committee.

[The Clerk]

The original motion reads: “That the Chair not receive any dilatory motions, forum calls, or requests for unanimous consent, and proceeding with this meeting, as per the agenda and timeline already established at the beginning of the committee's meeting.”

[The Chair, Conservative, Norman Doyle]

That's Mr. Telegdi's.

[The Clerk]

Mr. Jaffer moved an amendment to add at the end of the motion, “unless there is a need to put more questions to the issue of implementing RAD”.

[Dan McTeague, Liberal, Pickering—Scarborough East, ON]

Point of order, Mr. Chair.

[Blair Wilson, Liberal, West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast—Sea to Sky Country, BC]

At that point you should have called for the debate.

[Rahim Jaffer, Conservative, Edmonton Strathcona, AB]

What is the procedure? Do I have the floor? I've moved that.

[Blair Wilson, Liberal, West Vancouver—Sunshine Coast—Sea to Sky Country, BC]

Point of order, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Conservative, Norman Doyle]

Mr. Jaffer, you have the floor.

[Rahim Jaffer, Conservative, Edmonton Strathcona, AB]

Thank you. I appreciate that. I thought that was clear.

When you move a motion--and I think committee members should know this, as many of them are experienced--you have the floor; you have the ability to speak to the motion.

[Dan McTeague, Liberal, Pickering—Scarborough East, ON]

On a point of order, Chair, you did not recognize that as a motion. Regardless of what the clerk said, when the motion was put forward it was not seconded as is required.

[Rahim Jaffer, Conservative, Edmonton Strathcona, AB]

Dan, why are you making up stories?

[Dan McTeague, Liberal, Pickering—Scarborough East, ON]

But more importantly, Mr. Chairman, if the motion had been accepted--and I recognize you made a ruling--then the next thing would be to open it to debate, which you did not do. You can't have the sort of seamless throwing in of a motion and then continue to debate it. The correct procedure, Chair, would have been for you to instigate a debate.

The motion has been brought forward. The reasons have been given. You must now go to the list, beginning with Mr. Wilson.

[Rahim Jaffer, Conservative, Edmonton Strathcona, AB]

I'm glad Mr. McTeague has joined us at this committee, but clearly he's not the chair.

[The Chair, Conservative, Norman Doyle]

I will recognize subsequent speakers after Mr. Jaffer has finished moving his motion.

[Rahim Jaffer, Conservative, Edmonton Strathcona, AB]

The clerk has recognized my motion as being moved. If there is confusion on the other side, that's their own problem.