There are 60 members out of one 156. We see the stats. The backlogs are growing, and there's a crisis at the board. It really is unbelievable how the Conservatives have mismanaged this particular file.
Besides the refugee hearings, we also have the matter of the immigration appeal division, whereby people who are permanent residents and are expelled from the country then have a right to a hearing. My understanding is that because of the shortage on the board, people aren't even able to schedule times to have that hearing. Am I correct?