Evidence of meeting #56 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was questions.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Samy Agha
Andrew Kitching  Committee Researcher

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Andrew Telegdi Liberal Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

Okay, the ones that were invited.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Omar Alghabra Liberal Mississauga—Erindale, ON

Yes, invited initially.

Does that make sense?

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Andrew Telegdi Liberal Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

Yes.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Are we ready for the question...?

Okay, Barry.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Barry Devolin Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

I have a question on the swearing in.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Andrew Telegdi Liberal Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

We're dealing with this one first.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Barry Devolin Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

Okay, I can hold this until later.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

They're separate amendments.

Are we ready to vote on this?

12:15 p.m.

An hon. member

What's the amendment?

12:15 p.m.

The Clerk

Mr. Chair, I'll read it out: “That the CIC officials that were invited to the meeting of Wednesday, May 2, 2007, be reinvited to appear before the Committee, except Mark Davidson, specifically regarding”, etc.

(Amendment agreed to)

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Okay, the second one.

12:15 p.m.

The Clerk

The second one is to add at the end, “and that the witnesses be sworn in”.

12:15 p.m.

Liberal

Andrew Telegdi Liberal Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

And, “and they be so notified”.

12:15 p.m.

The Clerk

Yes, “and they be so notified”.

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

We have a question.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Barry Devolin Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

On the swearing in, I've only been here for three years and on the committees I've been on I haven't seen people sworn in before. Do you think the people who were here were saying things that weren't true? Is that...?

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

You've got it.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Barry Devolin Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

Because what you said is that you thought they weren't directly answering your questions, or they were being vague. But swearing in doesn't fix that, does it?

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Andrew Telegdi Liberal Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

I think if you look at the public accounts, where we have the top leadership in the RCMP sworn in on a regular basis, plus all the witnesses who are appearing, we would undertake a similar process. So it's not something that doesn't get done. It gets done.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Barry Devolin Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

No, I appreciate it gets done. I was just curious if you had a particular.... You could swear in all the witnesses every time. You must have some particular reason why you want to swear these ones in.

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Andrew Telegdi Liberal Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

I think it adds some more urgency to what we're doing, and I think it also gives some cover to the witnesses who end up saying things that their superiors might not like.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Barry Devolin Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

It was a very specific list of people you had here from different places. Did you pick them for some particular reason? Did you have some particular reason that they weren't going to tell the truth?

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

Where did you get that list from, Andrew?

12:20 p.m.

Liberal

Andrew Telegdi Liberal Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

A lot of the list came from input from the lost Canadians who have been dealing with those people over time.

12:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Mr. Karygiannis.