Evidence of meeting #34 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was worker.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Rick Clarke  President, Nova Scotia Federation of Labour
Mary-Lou Stewart  Chief Executive Officer, Nova Scotia Labour Relations Board
Carol Logan  Director, Human Resources Branch, Prince George Hotel
Lynn McDonagh Hughes  Manager, Operations, Nova Scotia Tourism Human Resource Council
Cordell Cole  President, Mainland Nova Scotia Building and Construction Trades Council
Gerry Mills  President, Atlantic Region Association of Immigrant Serving Agencies
Kevin Wyman  Halifax Coalition Against Poverty

10:50 a.m.

NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

Okay. So there are industry standards for all the different jobs. You were mentioning not just housekeeping, but also chefs. Are there the same kinds of numbers?

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Manager, Operations, Nova Scotia Tourism Human Resource Council

Lynn McDonagh Hughes

The wage would be higher for chefs and line cooks, obviously. It's a different level of experience that's required.

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NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

So the industry standard is that level. If a hotel like this one wants to pay $9 instead of $10.35, are they able to sponsor a person? Yes? No?

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Manager, Operations, Nova Scotia Tourism Human Resource Council

Lynn McDonagh Hughes

No, you have to pay the same rate that you would pay anybody else you're hiring. You can't go below that rate.

10:50 a.m.

NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

No, I know that, but if you stayed at this rate.... Let's say, Tim Hortons—back to Tim Hortons, as an example—normally pays $7, or whatever, depending on where it is, but the industry standard is $10, Tim Hortons can pay $7.50.

10:50 a.m.

Director, Human Resources Branch, Prince George Hotel

Carol Logan

As long as it's minimum wage. But in order to get an approval—

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NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

Let's say minimum wage is $6.50.

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Director, Human Resources Branch, Prince George Hotel

Carol Logan

That's right, they could pay $6.50. But in order to get a labour market opinion approval from Service Canada to recruit temporary foreign workers, this is the average wage. You cannot pay below this wage. They give us the wage based on the information that's provided by business.

10:50 a.m.

NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

Okay. I'm just trying to make sure.

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Director, Human Resources Branch, Prince George Hotel

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NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

So if the housekeeping staff rate is $10.35, no hotel can actually pay less than $10.35.

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Manager, Operations, Nova Scotia Tourism Human Resource Council

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Director, Human Resources Branch, Prince George Hotel

Carol Logan

For a temporary foreign worker, absolutely, that's correct.

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NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

I see. Got you.

And $10.35 would also be the average you would pay a Canadian worker.

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Director, Human Resources Branch, Prince George Hotel

Carol Logan

It would be different, based on position.

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NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

For housekeeping, anyway.

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Director, Human Resources Branch, Prince George Hotel

Carol Logan

For housekeeping here in Nova Scotia.

10:50 a.m.

NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

The average for housekeepers, whether you are a temporary foreign worker or Canadian-born, is $10.35.

10:55 a.m.

Director, Human Resources Branch, Prince George Hotel

Carol Logan

That's correct. It's $10.35, and that number comes from Service Canada.

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NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

Got you.

In terms of—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

You have 20 seconds.

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NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

Only 20 seconds. Okay, I'll skip. I don't think I'll be able to get started about the construction phase.

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A voice

Not much time for a response.

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NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

No.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Go ahead.