Evidence of meeting #38 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was refugees.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Klaus-Peter Flosbach  Member, Head of Delegation, German-Canadian Parliamentary Friendship Group of the German Bundestag
Jörg Rohde  Member, German-Canadian Parliamentary Friendship Group of the German Bundestag
Volker Schneider  Member, German-Canadian Parliamentary Friendship Group of the German Bundestag
Gero Storjohann  Member, German-Canadian Parliamentary Friendship Group of the German Bundestag
Engelbert Wistuba  Member, German-Canadian Parliamentary Friendship Group of the German Bundestag
Abraham Abraham  Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
Michael Casasola  Resettlement Officer, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Andrew Chaplin
Hy Shelow  Senior Protection Officer, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
Penny Becklumb  Committee Researcher

5:30 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Abraham Abraham

I think we have publicly said that 80,000 to 90,000 people are in need of resettlement, but we also take into account the capacity for processing, and given past practice, we feel that we could present in addition 25,000.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

When Kosovo happened, Canada took in 5,000. Should Canada do the same thing at the present moment? Should Canada ask the stakeholders like churches and groups like the Syrians, the Chaldeans, and everybody else if they can be master builders and take people in?

5:30 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Abraham Abraham

I think we would like that to happen.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

You think you would like, or are you urging Canada to do this, sir?

5:30 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Abraham Abraham

We would like Canada to do this, but we are looking at—

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Sir, you'd like Canada to do that, or are you urging Canada to do this?

5:30 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Abraham Abraham

I'm urging Canada to take more.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Thank you. I have no further questions, and I really appreciate your candidness, sir.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

I believe we have Mr. Carrier next.

5:30 p.m.

Resettlement Officer, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Michael Casasola

May I add a small dimension? We are talking about UNHCR's referrals. Our challenge has been departures, so I think we're debating very much the front end of the referral process, very much the issue the high commissioner mentioned when he was in the Middle East in February. He was concerned about actual people, Iraqis departing the region.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Okay. You've got 15 seconds.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Can you explain departures? Are these departures inside Iraq to neighbouring countries or from neighbouring countries to the destination country?

5:30 p.m.

Resettlement Officer, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Michael Casasola

To resettlement countries. From countries in the region, Syria and Jordan, to resettlement countries. I am talking of all resettlement countries.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Mr. Carrier, please.

5:30 p.m.

Bloc

Robert Carrier Bloc Alfred-Pellan, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you for being here today; we very much appreciate your contribution.

The committee will be making recommendations in order to help Iraki refugees. There are two ways that Canada can contribute: we can provide financial resources or we can provide human resources.

According to your brief, last January you issued an appeal for $260 million but you received barely half that amount. Did Canada do its share in responding to that appeal?

5:30 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Abraham Abraham

As I was saying, Canada has always responded to calls from UNHCR. In this case, again, we're talking about specific appeals that are made, to which Canada has positively responded.

5:30 p.m.

Bloc

Robert Carrier Bloc Alfred-Pellan, QC

Could Canada do more?

5:30 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Abraham Abraham

Our needs are actually very, very big, I must say, and our needs are never fully met. So if we get more contributions, we'd be able to put them to use. As I said earlier, if we can help to sustain the situation in the region, then this will be best for the security of everyone concerned.

5:30 p.m.

Bloc

Robert Carrier Bloc Alfred-Pellan, QC

With respect to taking in refugees, some witnesses spoke of delays and of the fact that the security screenings and interviews undertaken by Canada were in addition to the ones that you carry out.

I would like to hear what you have to say about that. Surely Canada is not the only country to conduct security screenings before agreeing to take in a refugee. There must be other countries that perform this additional screening.

5:30 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Abraham Abraham

No, I think security is of concern when it comes to any refugee situation. I think it is the prerogative of the states to undertake the necessary security measures in the processing and selection of the resettlement cases.

5:30 p.m.

Bloc

Robert Carrier Bloc Alfred-Pellan, QC

In your opinion, does Canada, through the Department of Citizenship and Immigration, provide enough on-site resources to meet the needs of the refugees? Does the lack of resources delay the processing of refugee applications?

5:35 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Abraham Abraham

I think we need more money. We need to be better funded.

5:35 p.m.

Bloc

Robert Carrier Bloc Alfred-Pellan, QC

I am referring to human resources, to employees who are on site to conduct the screening.

5:35 p.m.

Representative in Canada, Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

Abraham Abraham

Oh yes. As I was saying, we are calling upon states to expedite the processing so that people could also move faster and therefore could also be resettling in higher numbers. That would lead to the call for additional human resources to process this speed.

5:35 p.m.

Bloc

Robert Carrier Bloc Alfred-Pellan, QC

Very well. Thank you.