Evidence of meeting #42 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was backlog.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Lorne Waldman  Immigration Lawyer, As an Individual
Barbara Jackman  Immigration and Refugee Lawyer, As an Individual
Janet Dench  Executive Director, Canadian Council for Refugees
Philip Mooney  National President, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants
Imran Qayyum  Vice-Chair, Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants
Warren Creates  Head, Immigration Law Group, Perley-Robertson, Hill and McDougall LLP
David Cohen  Immigration Lawyer, As an Individual
John P. Ryan  Chair, Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants
Tom Pang  Acting President, Chinese Canadian Community Alliance
Ping Tan  National Executive Co-Chair, National Congress of Chinese Canadians
Roberto Jovel  Coordinator, Policy and Research, Ontario Council of Agencies Serving Immigrants

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

If you accept the fact that Parliament sets a sort of global number of people who can come in, let's say 245,000 or 265,000—

4:25 p.m.

National President, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants

Philip Mooney

That's the elephant in the room.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

That's 245,000 or—

4:25 p.m.

National President, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants

Philip Mooney

This is for everybody here: that's the elephant in the room.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

—265,000 per year, and if you simply keep receiving applications as they come in, without any particular limitation, the backlog is going to continue to grow proportionately, as it has now to 900,000.

4:25 p.m.

National President, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants

Philip Mooney

Absolutely, but the minister doesn't have to receive the applications. The minister can say to any group at the start that the class is sold out and we can't take any more in this category for the next two years. They can say that ahead of time.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

You're saying that provision or power in legislation currently exists?

4:25 p.m.

National President, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants

Philip Mooney

Absolutely.

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

What Bill C-50 does is indicate that the minister doesn't have to, or the department doesn't have to, receive every application that comes in.

4:25 p.m.

National President, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants

Philip Mooney

They completely will not accept your application. In other words, don't send us your application, this category is closed. That's very easy to understand.

May 12th, 2008 / 4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

And you're saying that exists under the current legislation. How does Bill C-50 impinge on that?

4:25 p.m.

National President, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants

Philip Mooney

Bill C-50 changes that because it says that we're going to take your application. We don't know if we're going to process you, so a year from now, six months, two years, three years, we're going to come back to you and say, “You know what? We don't want you.”

4:25 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

That's precisely the point. If the person doesn't qualify for the particular category or group, that application--

4:30 p.m.

National President, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants

Philip Mooney

No, they qualify at the time they send their application in.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

They wouldn't necessarily, because the instruction would exist prior to the application being sent.

4:30 p.m.

National President, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants

Philip Mooney

No, the instruction could be issued after they've applied.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

Let me ask you a couple of further questions, quickly, if you're able to answer them.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Five seconds.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

Five seconds? I would say that's probably too short.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Sorry, time is now expired. I have to cut it off there because we have another group waiting to come on at 4:30.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Chair, there were three minutes that Mr. Komarnicki started by attacking--

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

No, no, we're going by the clock here.

So we have to—

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Mr. Chair, with all due respect, sir, I'd like to have two minutes.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

No, you're not having two minutes until the next round.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

That was Mr. Komarnicki who started the damn thing, and this is why—