Evidence of meeting #16 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 40th Parliament, 2nd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was asked.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Charles Sinclair  Attorney, As an Individual
Pura Velasco  Member, Caregivers Support Services
Magdalene Gordo  Member, Caregivers Support Services
Richelyn Tongson  Member, Caregivers Support Services

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

Yes, I will.

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Thank you very much.

We know the rules.

Ms. Mendes has seven minutes.

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you very much, Ms. Dhalla--Ruby. Thank you for sharing this story with us and for putting it in such a straightforward manner. I think it clarifies a lot of things.

To your knowledge, are you the subject of any formal complaint or investigation regarding these allegations?

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

No, I am not, aside from all of the innuendo and allegations that have been written in the newspapers.

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

And to your knowledge, are any members of your family the subject of any formal complaint or investigation regarding these allegations?

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

No. Other than what's been written in the newspapers, there is nothing.

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Dr. Dhalla, did you ever sign a service contract of any kind with Ms. Taniguchi, or with either Ms. Gordo or Ms. Tongson?

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

No, I did not.

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Thank you.

Ms. Gordo claims you made an under-the-table payment to Lyda Alvarez on February 1, 2008. Can you share any details about this payment?

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

February 1 was a Friday. It was a constituency day. I would like to know what time she said that was made, because I was at my constituency appointments.

I saw the first caregiver on my way out. I had woken up and come downstairs. I never brought it with me, but my mom actually gave her a shawl as a going-away present. My mom gave her a shawl. I said goodbye to her. She asked if she could take a picture with me. I said that was fine. That picture was taken. Then I went upstairs, changed, and went straight to the office. I had a completely full day of appointments at the office, and I have documents to show that as well.

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Dr. Dhalla, did you hire either Ms. Gordo or Ms. Tongson? Was it you who hired them?

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

No, I did not hire them. I have not interviewed them, I have not employed them, and I have not sponsored them.

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Did you ever ask either Ms. Gordo or Ms. Tongson to shovel snow?

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

No. In the eleven days that the first caregiver worked, I was only home for a period of three days. And I have boarding cards, as I have said, to prove the fact that I wasn't even physically in the GTA.

When I am in the GTA, I have a very busy constituency office, which is my first priority. I am very busy in the community.

In terms of the third caregiver, who worked for, I believe, a period of three months, out of the three months, I was home for approximately ten days. Hence, the allegations that have been made against me personally have come as a very big shock, because I physically wasn't even in the city.

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Dr. Dhalla, did you ever insist that either Ms. Gordo or Ms. Tongson scrub the floors on their hands and knees?

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

No. To be honest, in my time that I am even at home I am always busy with constituency appointments. I usually leave my house around 8:30 or 9:00 in the morning and sometimes don't get back from events until 11 o'clock. On a weekend they were never there, but even on a weekend I do anywhere from 20 to 30 events.

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Did you ever ask Ms. Gordo or Ms. Tongson to shampoo rugs?

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

No, I have not done that. The whole main floor of our home is actually all hardwood floors.

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

It was alleged by both Ms. Gordo and Ms. Tongson that you asked them to clean your cousin's apartment. Can you confirm or deny that?

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

I'm a little bit surprised. I think when I was watching the testimony earlier they were saying that my cousin had cooked dinner at her apartment for both myself and the caregiver. Unfortunately, with my busy life I haven't even been to my cousin's apartment, ever in my life.

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Dr. Dhalla, did you ever ask either Ms. Gordo or Ms. Tongson to wash cars owned by your family?

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

No. The cars and vehicles that we have are actually washed at car washes. Once again, I have not done that. I had very limited interaction with the caregivers.

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Did you ever ask either Ms. Gordo or Ms. Tongson to clean your cousin Sonia's apartment?

Ruby Dhalla Liberal Brampton—Springdale, ON

No.

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Did you ever ask either Ms. Gordo or Ms. Tongson to surrender their passports or other documentation to you?