A point of order.
If Mr. Dykstra is speaking in an official capacity, it's a disadvantage for the committee. I will submit the figures and research that we've done to the committee, through you, Mr. Chair. I would invite him—either through your device or through Mr. Dykstra's agreement—if he believes in his figures, to submit them and make them available to everyone on the committee.
I also want to mention that, on the other discussion, there are people here who drove all morning from Toronto—