I can share both my experience and the research that's contained in the brief I provided to you, the second brief.
Essentially, we know there are only 299 spaces available across Canada for detainees under the federal program. Most of them are full all the time. So the principal concern is that if there's any significant group that comes, as has happened with the two boats on the west coast, they will be referred to provincial penal institutions—and they're not detention centres, but penal institutions. There will be other witnesses who appear before you, but you will have the briefs to show you that they're being placed in penitentiaries where the staff is used to dealing with criminals. They'll be in with mixed criminal populations.
One of the exceptions to this is that they did not put the mothers, the parents who had children, with them. They kept those in the detention centre in Burnaby.
But again, my concern as a Canadian is this. These are people who are refugee claimants. They may or may not be refugees. But we know a significant number of them may be victims of torture. They may already have gone through hell in civil wars, such as the one in Sri Lanka. And the issue is that if people like this, who do not speak English and who are easily separated out from the population, are being placed in penal institutions, then I feel there is a significant policy concern. And that has to be considered.