It certainly concerns me, and I'm not sure that we can make those assumptions. Just because our detention centre is clean and bright, it's still a prison-like environment. It's not a place for a child. The UNHCR has made that clear.
We have an assumption that people in refugee camps are in horrendous circumstances, but sometimes when you are with your family, abnormal situations become somewhat normal. Canada's not abnormal. We have the capacity to allow people to go before a refugee board, to be determined to be a refugee or not, and then to learn whether they can stay or move on.
There is no reason why we should be detaining people. The number of people who are claimants was brought up earlier. I've been around a long time in this field, over 20 years. We had much higher numbers of refugee claimants in the early nineties than we even have currently, and people were passed through the system quicker.
I think there really is, as the Auditor General has said, a problem of resourcing. We do need—as Mr. Menegakis has said—to move this system forward faster. You do not need to detain people, and in fact you can be putting them in a much worse situation trying to prove their claim.