Keep in mind that we're sharing with you experiences from our counselling programs, which are called stopping the violence and children who witness abuse. The only women we are seeing are the ones who have been through this process. We're not seeing those who are coming for language classes or those who are coming to our skills training centres. We have those services at DIVERSEcity, but in our department, what we see are the women and the families who are in crisis.
Among the experiences we share, this is quite common for our clients. As to whether it's the norm in these communities and cultures, I would say most definitely not. I agree that the majority of women and the majority of marriages are based on mutual respect and a mutual equality, but what we're looking at are those in which there is serious danger to the woman and she does not have the resources, the language, or the cultural understanding or cultural support to get herself out of that situation into either a transition house—