Evidence of meeting #148 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was program.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Ramez Ayoub  Thérèse-De Blainville, Lib.
Daniel Mills  Assistant Deputy Minister and Chief Financial Officer, Finance, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Marta Morgan  Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Murray Rankin  Victoria, NDP
Harpreet Kochhar  Assistant Deputy Minister, Operations, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Paul MacKinnon  Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic and Program Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Salma Zahid  Scarborough Centre, Lib.
Matt DeCourcey  Fredericton, Lib.
David Cashaback  Acting Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Philippe Massé  Director General, Temporary Foreign Worker Directorate, Skills and Employment Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Katie Alexander  Executive Director, Temporary Foreign Worker Program, Program Operations, Service Canada, Department of Employment and Social Development

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Yes.

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Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

We've just witnessed a horrific act of terror in Christchurch, and the member keeps using this extremely inflammatory language. He knows what he's doing, and he needs to use the right and proper terminology, until such time as someone is determined not to be an asylum seeker. That is not the right language to use. It's meant to inflame; it's meant to divide.

Today of all days, he should not be doing it.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

I'm going to suggest that's a point of debate as opposed to a point of order.

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

I'd like to speak on that point, Mr. Chair.

There was a fairly big insinuation—

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

I've said it's not a point of order—

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

I have a question of privilege then.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

If you have a point of order or privilege—

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

I have a question of privilege. I would argue that what was just said was almost to the point of slander. My question of privilege is related to decorum, Mr. Chair. That is a valid question of privilege under O'Brien and Bosc.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

It was not your privilege that was being raised—

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

A point of order.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

—it was a question of privilege with respect to your colleague.

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

It's a point of order on decorum, Mr. Chair.

O'Brien and Bosc speaks to the fact that we are, as members, to maintain decorum at all times.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

Keep the clock running.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Mr. Chair, what was just suggested I think is what leads to rhetoric around immigration in this country being negative. It is perfectly valid to question the government on its processes related to immigration. The reality is that there are 40,000 people who have illegally entered Canada. There are large signs at the border that say it is illegal to cross the border, and then they claim asylum in Canada.

Minister Blair has been out today apparently talking about the fact that now they are talking to the United States about whether that would continue to be acceptable, under this government, with the American administration. He is actually talking about that policy.

To conflate the discussion of this policy and the terminology with a mosque shooting in New Zealand does speak to the decorum in this committee.

I want to be very clear: What happened in Christchurch, New Zealand, was a horrific act of murder and terror—

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

I'm going to ask the member to cease.

This is now debate; it is not a question of privilege. I'm ruling on that and then you may challenge the chair.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

It's a point of order, Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

No, it is not a point of order.

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

It is. It's on decorum.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

It is a process of debate.

That is my ruling as the chair. I'm happy to read again the role of the chair, if you would like me to. I'm ruling this as a—

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

It's a point of order on decorum. It is valid.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

No, it's not.

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

It's actually under O'Brien and Bosc. I can raise a point of order on decorum.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Nick Whalen Liberal St. John's East, NL

Mr. Chair, on a point of order—

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

I would like to finish. I will be very brief. I want to be very clear that I believe this was an act of terrorism and murder and that should be denounced. There's no justification for it.

However, my colleague here—

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Rob Oliphant

As the clerk has advised me, I have already ruled that there was a point of order raised that I have ruled as a point of debate. You are raising the same issue. I will equally say that it is debate.