Evidence of meeting #35 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was reunification.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Avvy Go  Clinic Director, Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic
Vincent Wong  Staff Lawyer, Metro Toronto Chinese and Southeast Asian Legal Clinic
Tamra Thomson  Director, Legislation and Law Reform, Canadian Bar Association
Vance P. E. Langford  Chair, Immigration Law Section, Canadian Bar Association
Chantal Desloges  Lawyer, Desloges Law Group, As an Individual
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Erica Pereira
Deepak Kohli  Vice-President, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants
Vilma Filici  Representative, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants
Arthur Sweetman  As an Individual
Sergio Karas  Barrister and Solicitor, Karas Immigration Law Professional Corporation, As an Individual

4:50 p.m.

Sergio Karas Barrister and Solicitor, Karas Immigration Law Professional Corporation, As an Individual

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and the committee for the opportunity to appear and provide some context.

Based on my close to 30 years of practice in the area of immigration, I presented a submission to the committee with a summary of some of the salient points in my remarks, and also significant case law and press clippings that I hope you have in your possession.

I heard the last 10 minutes of the testimony of the panel in the previous hour, and specifically that of my colleague and friend Chantal Desloges, and I very much agree with many of the points she made. However, I'd like to pick up on one of the questions that came from one of the committee members concerning relationships of convenience.

In my 30 years of practice, I have found that a lot of relationships of convenience are a significant problem in the context of spousal immigration. This happens for a variety of reasons, but there is one thing of which there can be no doubt. The financial and personal costs to Canadians or permanent residents who have been duped into entering into relationships of convenience are staggering. Unfortunately, there are very few avenues of redress.

Relationships of convenience happen for a variety of reasons, but specifically Canadians are being targeted overseas, particularly in places such as Cuba—there's significant press reporting on the issue—and also the Dominican Republic, etc. Canadians become a very valuable avenue to escape poverty or undesirable conditions.

That also happens in the context of the Middle East, for example. There is a case that I provided to the committee concerning a Middle Eastern country where people are being duped into entering specifically arranged marriages when the other spouse has absolutely no intention of consummating their relationship or living with the sponsor after entering Canada.

Also, two other examples are India and China. In the context of India, there was a significant problem with what was called “rent a wedding”, when unscrupulous individuals staged fake weddings, including photographs and costumes, etc., for people to apply for immigration.

Also, in the context of China, the RCMP and CBSA have investigated and have convicted numerous individuals responsible for orchestrating fake marriages in exchange for a significant payoff, sometimes ranging from $15,000 to $30,000 a piece. Recently, a woman was convicted who had amassed more than $2.5 million from a scheme like that.

It is a significant problem, and it has to be monitored. One of the things that other countries have done, for example Australia, is instituted a reporting system, and if you have been hearing from other witnesses that the Canadian system somehow imposes onerous requirements on people being sponsored, then all you need to do is turn to the Australian and the U.K. model to see how generous Canada really is. Those countries impose reporting requirements with very few exceptions for violators or for people whose marriage breaks down to continue to remain in those countries.

Canada is also more generous than the United States. In the United States, for example, the priority for sponsorship falls on citizens and not residents, although resident green-card holders can still sponsor, but those become priority immigrants and they can wait for years until they come into the United States, so citizens are given priority. That's another thing that Canada does perhaps more generously.

Also you need to consider the imposition of some sort of reporting system where this conditional requirement is actually being enforced, because right now it may take years for a relationship of convenience or a fraudulent marriage to be discovered.

I can tell you that I receive calls in my office on a very regular basis from people who have been duped into marriage in different countries. There is no particular group that is immune to this. Those individuals are suffering enormous financial hardship. The problem is that they have no assistance from CBSA because, frankly, there is absolutely no budget to enforce this particular legislation, or to investigate fraudulent marriage cases. It's very difficult. Then they turn to the courts.

For example, there is the case I provided to you in my material, the Zaghbib case. This poor fellow turned to the courts and he, unfortunately, could have no remedy in the courts. There is the case of Raju v. Kumar that I also provided to you, in which this lady who was originally from Fiji and became a Canadian citizen was duped by somebody who only wanted to come to Canada, gain permanent residence, then divorce her and turn around and sponsor his girlfriend from back in Fiji, while the Canadian woman spent thousands upon thousands of dollars on the wedding and all the other sponsorship applications.

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

You have 20 seconds, please.

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Barrister and Solicitor, Karas Immigration Law Professional Corporation, As an Individual

Sergio Karas

It's not only the financial costs, it's also the human cost and the humiliation. I urge the committee to continue to have the clause in place for the two years and to consider having some sort of reporting mechanism, because otherwise there's—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

Thank you.

We begin with Mr. Fragiskatos for seven minutes, please.

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Liberal

Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON

I want to pick up on this point of the provision in the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, paragraph 117(9)(d), that's come up in this session and in the previous session. As I understand it, this provision places an automatic lifetime ban on the sponsoring of a family member, if that family member was not disclosed in the sponsor's application for immigration to Canada.

Go ahead.

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Representative, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants

Vilma Filici

Actually not if it was not disclosed. It is if the dependant was not medically examined.

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Liberal

Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON

Oh, okay.

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Vice-President, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants

Deepak Kohli

Disclosed....

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Liberal

Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON

Okay.

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Representative, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants

Vilma Filici

Disclosed but not medically examined.

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Liberal

Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON

The fact that it's come up today in this session twice is actually quite timely for a few reasons. There was an op-ed in today's Ottawa Citizen talking about this. It said that although the aim is to prevent fraud, that hasn't been the case. In fact, since its inception, which I think was in 2002, 90% of the cases where it's been applied have not been related to fraud at all, and the article listed examples.

We heard some today. An applicant thought that her children were dead. They were not in fact dead, but there's a lifetime ban on them now coming to Canada. Another applicant was fearful and ashamed, and didn't want to disclose the fact that her child was born as a result of rape. That child cannot enter Canada to be with her mother. There was no fraudulent intent here.

The problem, though, is that the individuals making the decision are given no flexibility. This is how I understand it anyway. They are given no flexibility to use their discretion and say what is known, that there was no fraudulent intent. Could you speak to that and give us examples of cases that you've seen in your work?

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Representative, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants

Vilma Filici

That's precisely the problem, and that's why CAPIC believes there should be a change to allow an immigration officer to look at the circumstances as to why that dependant was not examined, and make a decision. If there was no intent to defraud or to misrepresent—let's talk about children because it's quite often where we see this kind of situation—then the child should be allowed to be a member of the family class in the future.

When there is an intention to commit fraud, I can see it. We have the provisions that allow a case to be revisited under misrepresentation, and people can lose their permanent residency if at some point it is discovered that there was misrepresentation.

I think that the intent initially was to stop people from not declaring children, when the children would make the whole family medically inadmissible. Now it has gone to an extreme where it excludes absolutely anybody for whatever reason.

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Liberal

Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON

Don't we already have in place measures that are meant to deal with cases of fraud?

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Representative, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants

Vilma Filici

Yes, we do, and that's what we're saying.

I mean, with those types of situations where after they arrive in Canada it is discovered that there was fraud, they could be written up and dealt with under the misrepresentation provisions.

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Liberal

Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON

As I understand it, all of this is leading to an appeals process. Those who are denied, file for humanitarian and compassionate grounds. They file on that basis but are denied.

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Representative, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants

Vilma Filici

Unfortunately, the immigration appeal division has no jurisdiction over those cases because they are not members of the family class.

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Liberal

Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON

Okay.

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Representative, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants

Vilma Filici

Unless they are considered to be members of the family class, they cannot hear the cases, so we cannot argue humanitarian and compassionate grounds at the appeal division.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON

It was my understanding from the op-ed that appeals are being made on the basis of humanitarian and compassionate grounds.

5:05 p.m.

Representative, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants

Vilma Filici

You can't. The immigration appeal division has no jurisdiction.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON

Okay. That's maybe a misunderstanding somewhere along the way.

Professor Sweetman, you talked about the economics of all of this, and family sponsorship, and where that fits in.

According to a recent Toronto Star piece, 35% of male immigrants who come to Canada return home each year, many within the first year. Many of those within this cohort, in fact, the vast majority, are here as economic immigrants.

Could you comment on what Professor Jeffrey Reitz has said? He's at the University of Toronto. He was talking about family, and he said, “A support group gives people a reason to stay.”

If folks are coming here and leaving very quickly, could you speak to the fact if they lack that support group, they are much more likely to leave? If the reverse were the case, they would perhaps stay and make a contribution to Canada.

5:05 p.m.

Prof. Arthur Sweetman

You raise a very important point. Many people think immigrants who come to Canada automatically stay. The truth is, as you said, a very high percentage leave.

I think Jeffrey has the right idea: support certainly matters. I think there's a bit more to it than that as well. Obviously, in a newspaper article you don't get all the details. The rate at which people leave, especially in the economic class, moves with the business cycle. Economic class immigrants who arrive in a boom are very likely to stay. Economic class immigrants who arrive during a recession are much less likely to stay. Partly that has to do with a welcoming group, but partly it has to do with their success in the labour market and their opportunity costs, their potential success back home or in some third labour market. Family class individuals are much more likely to stay.

It used to be, I'll call it the old days, before 1990, that we had a system where the economic class and the family class both moved with the business cycle. During economic booms, the percentage who were in the family class would go down, and during economic busts, the percentage in the family class would go up.

5:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

Thank you.

Mr. Tilson, for seven minutes, please.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

We expect very soon, as early as possibly tomorrow, that there will be a release of the 2017 immigration levels plan. It could come tomorrow, or it could come next week, but we expect it's imminent.

I don't know whether all of you read The Hill Times. Most of us here do, but you probably don't. There were some interesting quotes by Honourable John McCallum, the Minister of Immigration, that were reported in The Hill Times yesterday. I want to read these quotes to you, because it may give a hint as to where he's going with the immigration levels plan. Then I would like to hear what your comments are, starting perhaps with Professor Sweetman.

There were two quotes. He said, “A big influx of immigrants would be too expensive to Canada in the short term”. He also said, “If we have a large increase in immigration, it's a large increase in the cost. Because, I don't think Canadians want to bring in immigrants without settling them properly, without integrating them into Canadian life. And that costs a lot of money.”

One can say that they don't know what that means, but it may give a hint as to what the levels plan is going to be.

Professor Sweetman, could you perhaps give us your comments? Of course, we're crystal ball gazing as to what these level plans are going to be, but to me, those statements give us a hint.

5:05 p.m.

Prof. Arthur Sweetman

It's true that there are settlement service costs associated with immigration. I don't know that they should be driving immigration policy, since they tend to be fairly short term. The greater costs that I'd be concerned about are people returning, and that is to say people leaving, like in the last question, as well as people's satisfaction at arriving in Canada, if they arrive and are unsuccessful. In the old days, again before 1990, we had an immigration policy where the immigration rate went up during booms because of people's success in the labour market and the cost of settlement services are very low during booms, and finding a job is relatively easy. Alternatively, settlement service costs are very high when people arrive during a recession, because finding employment is very difficult, people lose their skills, and they need to retrain in new fields.

The cost issue is certainly there. There are a lot of subtleties when thinking about it. I'm not sure exactly what else the minister will be thinking about, except perhaps for language training, where it's becoming increasingly clear that the language training we provide is not adequate for many people, and we should be providing substantially more.

Thank you.