With regard to ghost consultants before 2004, before there was any regulator, and even up to today, the number of ghost consultants out there has increased and nothing has been impacted. You need the tools to work with. We need seasoned investigators, people who know how to do an investigation. You can't just put anybody on the street to deal with these people. We have to get prosecution. We have to get the statutes out there so that it gives us the powers to take them in.
If you're looking at the witnesses, the victims, and God knows there are many of them, most of them are back in their own countries. You can't get them here. With the ones who aren't and are other status, they've gone underground. I spent 40 years in police work, 26 years in the RCMP, of which I spent 15 years in major crime—one homicide after another—and I'm telling you that you have to get out there and work. You have to collect the evidence. There's evidence out there.