Evidence of meeting #7 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was ircc.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Manprit Aujla-Grewal  Immigration Consultant, Canadian Immigration Connections
Meredith Armstrong  Acting Director, Economic Development, City of Greater Sudbury
Bela Ravi  President, Sudbury Multicultural and Folk Arts Association
Robert Thiessen  As an Individual
Amit Kumar Verma  Lawyer, Hope Welfare Society
Daniel Giroux  President, Collège Boréal
Baptiste Alain Bourquardez  Director, Immigration Programs and Services, Collège Boréal
Marc Despatie  Director, Communications, Strategic Planning, and Government Relations, Collège Boréal

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Mr. Thiessen, I want to ask you a number of questions about your experience. I greatly appreciated your remarks. I thought they were very clear. I really feel terrible for what you and your wife and children went through.

I would like you to share with the committee your thoughts on how specifically the government should be improving its immigration system concerning parents who are adopting from anywhere. Particularly, we're hearing a number of concerns with adoptions in Africa. If you can share specifically the changes that you feel need to be made, that would be greatly appreciated.

5:40 p.m.

As an Individual

Robert Thiessen

Thanks a lot.

The first thing that comes to mind is some transparency so we would know where our application is in the system.

Secondly, for us—and for many of the other families—it comes at quite a significant cost to travel overseas to build or grow our family. To be able to receive some form of priority in having our visas processed would be very helpful.

Those are the two things that would really help.

It's one thing to know that it's going to take six months and five days for your visa to be approved. It's another thing when, at every attempt at communication, you receive a form. You email back. Your MP receives a form. You email back or nobody answers the phones. You show up at the high commission....

We purposely stuck to the protocol that had been laid out by immigration on how to communicate with them. On all of those avenues, it was literally impossible to get any kind of communication to let us know where we were in the queue as far as getting our application processed.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

You mentioned that you've been following all the protocols and that you did everything you were supposed to. Were you surprised by the response from the federal government?

5:40 p.m.

As an Individual

Robert Thiessen

Yes, we were. It took us doing an email campaign to start raising a lot of noise. When we left, there had been a family that had previously created a lot of noise.

This was our choice to go to Africa. We weren't going there and expecting any kind of special treatment, but when the delay became so extensive and then we had COVID coming down on top, the country was shutting down and we went to visit the consulate and they didn't even know about Prime Minister Trudeau saying that we should be coming home.... All of that was very disturbing.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

You mentioned in your remarks that on the plane you spoke with someone from the Netherlands, I believe. Can you share with us what their experience was with their home country with adoption?

5:40 p.m.

As an Individual

Robert Thiessen

Coincidentally, we sat on the flight to Lagos, Nigeria with a family from Amsterdam. They were doing the same thing we were doing. Their adoption process in Nigeria followed in line with our adoption process. We both completed it at the same time.

Four weeks after they submitted to the Government of the Netherlands, they had all their travel visas to bring their children home. We didn't get our first response until six months after.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

You said it took four weeks for them to get a response and for you, with an incredible amount of pushing, calling various MPs and friends, and email and media campaigns, you finally got a response after six months. Is that correct?

5:40 p.m.

As an Individual

Robert Thiessen

Yes, that's correct.

They had their visas in four weeks. They were on a plane.

It's kind of rubbing it in. At that time, we were having a great time in Africa. We had a great time all the way through, but we were getting desperate when borders shut down and we were being told to come home and we couldn't get any response from our government agency that's supposed to be there to help us out.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

We spoke with a lawyer in the committee meeting last week who had dealt with a couple; I believe you may have met them. They were adopting a child in Nigeria as well, but their daughter in Nigeria was sick. They are just now getting home—I think on Wednesday—after almost a year of being stranded.

5:40 p.m.

As an Individual

Robert Thiessen

Yes, they got their visa today, so it was pretty exciting for them.

5:40 p.m.

Conservative

Raquel Dancho Conservative Kildonan—St. Paul, MB

Good. When we spoke with them last week they said they were anticipating getting it today. I'm glad to hear the news that they have it.

Do you have any words of wisdom for others who are pursuing the same avenues as you? Do you think it should be viewed as a cautionary tale, or do you think it's because of the pandemic that this is happening? I'm just trying to figure out what we can do to improve the situation, so that others don't become stranded in foreign countries.

Your savings are dwindling.... I can imagine, when speaking with the family from last week, that there came a point where they felt they would never get home. They had sort of lost faith, a number of times, that the Canadian government had their backs.

Do you have any thoughts on that?

5:45 p.m.

As an Individual

Robert Thiessen

The part that was discouraging was that when we applied for a visa for our first son, that visa came to us in three months and it was processed in Nairobi, Kenya. We used that for our planning when we prepared to go over there. We figured three months, plus or minus. Even if it were four months and then two months in Nigeria. At six months, I think we were being very generous—

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I'm sorry for interrupting, Mr. Thiessen. Your time is up.

We'll now move on to Ms. Dhillon for six minutes.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

Anju Dhillon Liberal Dorval—Lachine—LaSalle, QC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I would like to thank all the witnesses for joining us today.

My questions will be for the Collège Boréal representatives.

I would like to begin by letting you know that our government has implemented measures to encourage student enrolment in Canadian institutions and to facilitate online learning. Among the most recent measures, of note is the establishment of a list of approved and designated educational institutions. These are institutions that have had their COVID-19 response plan approved in the targeted provinces.

What has been that measure's impact on the accessibility of students who had study permits to come to Canada?

5:45 p.m.

President, Collège Boréal

Daniel Giroux

Thank you for the question.

It is certain that the decision to allow students to complete 50% of their studies online or remotely has had a very positive impact at Collège Boréal. Since September, we have received a number of students, and we have been surprised to see how many of them could continue their studies online or remotely. We predict that from 25 to 50 students will continue their studies in January.

Depending on the clientele, there could be a lack network or internet access, for instance, which could have tremendous repercussions for the clientele. Depending on the country, access to technology can be a major challenge.

This is indeed a big step in the right direction. Since November 17, 24 colleges in Ontario have been put on the list that will help students complete up to 50% of their studies online or to come study in Canada. That is good news.

5:45 p.m.

Liberal

Anju Dhillon Liberal Dorval—Lachine—LaSalle, QC

That's excellent.

Our government is looking for innovative approaches to help newcomers and better support them in their integration process.

Do you think we should continue on the path to improving employment support and take advantage of new technologies? Also, how do you think your organization will benefit from the changes made by the Department of Immigration?

5:45 p.m.

President, Collège Boréal

Daniel Giroux

I would ask our expert in this field, Mr. Bourquardez, to answer the question.

5:45 p.m.

Baptiste Alain Bourquardez Director, Immigration Programs and Services, Collège Boréal

Thank you for the question.

Concerning the innovative approach, Collège Boréal is fairly innovative in terms of the settlement services provided. We provide settlement services in a number of cities in Ontario, be it Windsor, Sarnia, Chatham, London, Mississauga, Sudbury or Timmins. The approach we use is not only based on basic needs, but also on economic integration planning, which takes into consideration newcomers' skills, know-how and experience before they even arrive in Canada.

The idea is to be able to support newcomers toward their chosen careers and sustainable employment. I am getting to the vision you are trying to implement within the federal government. Employment-related services will be essential for this economic independence, which is very important. The COVID-19 pandemic has somewhat destabilized settlement services. A number of those services were made available online very quickly. That was our case.

Since mid-October, we have come back with the hybrid model—in other words, we provide in-person services to people who do not have the technological equipment and those who do not have the ability to contact settlement services owing to a lack of connectivity, for instance. We have returned partially to give those people access to that service.

In terms of language training provided to newcomers, they can enrol in the language instruction for newcomers to Canada, or LINC, program. We have also transitioned 35 classes and 535 people attending those courses within a week.

Even before the pandemic, we were planning to implement self-paced and virtual training. That was developed last year, and this way of doing things is currently operational. It gives us an opportunity to offer this online approach to people with a job or other family obligations, taking into account their geographic zone. So that kind of an approach will help us go further and continue to provide those services efficiently.

5:50 p.m.

Liberal

Anju Dhillon Liberal Dorval—Lachine—LaSalle, QC

Thank you very much.

My respected colleague Mr. Serré has a few comments to make. So I will give him my time.

5:50 p.m.

Liberal

Marc Serré Liberal Nickel Belt, ON

Thank you, Ms. Dhillon.

I just want to thank the Collège Boréal representatives for their dedication and their commitment to francophones across Ontario and in terms of immigration. That's so important.

Thank you for your five recommendations. We will consider them closely, as we have to reach our targets to attract more francophones.

Is there time left to ask a question?

5:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

There are only six seconds.

Now we will move on to Madam Normandin for six minutes, please.

5:50 p.m.

Bloc

Christine Normandin Bloc Saint-Jean, QC

Thank you very much.

It is now my turn to thank all the witnesses for their testimony, especially on time frames. We will spend a lot of time on that issue in our report.

I have many questions for the Collège Boréal representatives.

The first is about places reserved for students in your institutions.

Are you managing to fill all the places international francophone students could fill or are some of them left vacant?

5:50 p.m.

President, Collège Boréal

Daniel Giroux

Thank you for the question.

When it comes to targets in terms of international students, we are talking about global targets. Collège Boréal still has room for students in a number of areas.

For instance, we have programs in agriculture, technology and business administration. We have room to increase the number of international students in a number of programs.

5:50 p.m.

Bloc

Christine Normandin Bloc Saint-Jean, QC

That's excellent.

We often hear about time frames and complexity related to building a student file so they can come study here.

Do you feel that makes you less competitive internationally, especially with regard to other francophone institutions?

5:50 p.m.

President, Collège Boréal

Daniel Giroux

We always rely on facts. For example, around 25% of participants are accepted and come to Collège Boréal. We're therefore at a disadvantage if you consider the number of students who apply and come to Collège Boréal compared to other students from countries such as China or India, for whom the percentages are much higher, that is, 65% to 70%.

The situation is indeed unfavourable in terms of the percentage of students who end up getting their visa.