Evidence of meeting #1 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Noon
Conservative
Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
It is in the routine proceedings package that was distributed.
Noon
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid
Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe, I will ask the clerk to provide you with the motion.
Do you have the translation now? Okay.
Are there any further comments on this by the members?
Do I have the unanimous consent of the members to rescind the vote? Is everyone in favour?
Noon
Some hon. members
Agreed.
Noon
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid
Okay. We have consent from all the members to rescind the vote.
I would ask the clerk to please go back to the vote.
Would the members like to debate that motion or go to the vote?
Mr. Dhaliwal.
12:05 p.m.
Liberal
Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Surrey—Newton, BC
Madam Chair, if this is out of order, then why do we even need to vote on this one?
12:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid
Mr. Dhaliwal, we have to vote again because we voted and and have now rescinded that vote. That's why we have to vote again.
Ms. Kwan.
12:05 p.m.
NDP
Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC
Thank you.
I'm still kind of perplexed about how, if it is out of order, in the last Parliament it was adopted by a committee.
Maybe I can get some further clarification on which aspect of the motion is out of order.
12:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid
I will ask the clerk to please provide a little clarification on that.
12:05 p.m.
The Clerk
Thank you.
Again, the issue is that the Standing Orders consider a motion to go in public or in camera to be a non-debatable motion. That's Standing Order 67(1) and specifically 67(2).
12:05 p.m.
NDP
Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC
Thank you, Madam Chair.
The component of the motion that was passed that is deemed to be out of order is the part that says “That any motion to sit in camera is debatable and amendable”. Is that the element at issue?
Is the idea to rescind the motion that was passed and then to resubmit the other component of the motion? Is that the intent here?
12:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid
First of all, we will have to go one by one, so the first step will be to rescind the vote because of the fact that it is out of order and we will vote on it, and then we will proceed.
12:05 p.m.
NDP
Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC
No, I'm just asking to see what the intent here is, which will inform my decision on whether or not I will support rescinding the motion, because it requires a unanimous vote.
My question then to the committee members is whether the intent is to move the motion without that component that says the motion to sit in camera is debatable and amendable.
December 14th, 2021 / 12:05 p.m.
Liberal
12:05 p.m.
Liberal
Arielle Kayabaga Liberal London West, ON
I thought we had unanimous consent to move forward. We got it in the first round when you called it, so, as a point of order, we did get unanimous consent.
12:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid
Yes, thank you, Ms. Kayabaga.
I think she is right, and we were going into the vote, so the clerk provided clarification and she's going to conduct the vote.
When I asked for unanimous consent no one said no to it. No one said no to that, and I asked the clerk to conduct the vote, so I would request the clerk to please conduct the vote.
12:10 p.m.
The Clerk
The vote is on rescinding the motion.
12:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid
I call the meeting to order. Can I have the attention of all the members?
Before the meeting was suspended the clerk was going to call a vote on rescinding the motion. That vote started, so I will ask the clerk to please continue with the vote to rescind the previous vote.
Madam Clerk, you have the floor. You can take the vote.
(Motion agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0)
Thank you. That vote is cancelled because of the fact that it was out of order.
Is there any discussion? The floor is open.
Ms. Kwan.
12:15 p.m.
NDP
Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC
All right, I will move the motion without that part. It will read:
That the committee may meet in camera only for the following purposes: (a) to consider a draft report; (b) to attend briefings concerning national security; (c) to consider lists of witnesses; (d) for any other reason, with the unanimous consent of the committee; that all votes taken in camera, with the exception of votes regarding the consideration of draft reports, be recorded in the Minutes of Proceedings, including how each member voted when recorded votes are—
