Evidence of meeting #4 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was countries.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Stephanie Bond
Gideon Christian  President, African Scholars Initiative
Excellency Khalilur Rahman  High Commissioner of the People's Republic of Bangladesh
Martin Basiri  Chief Executive Officer and Co-founder, ApplyBoard
Leah Nord  Senior Director, Workforce Strategies and Inclusive Growth, Canadian Chamber of Commerce
Denise Amyot  President and Chief Executive Officer, Colleges and Institutes Canada
Andrew Champagne  Manager, Mobility Programs, Colleges and Institutes Canada

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I call this meeting to order.

Good morning, everyone. This is meeting number four of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration.

With the ongoing pandemic situation and in light of the recommendations from health authorities, as well as the directive of the Board of Internal Economy on October 19, 2021, to remain healthy and safe, all those attending the meeting in person are to maintain two-metre physical distancing. They must wear a non-medical mask when circulating in the room, and it is highly recommended that the mask be worn at all times, including when seated. They must also maintain proper hand hygiene by using the hand sanitizer provided at the room entrance.

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I would remind you that all comments by members and witnesses should be addressed through the chair. With regard to a speaking list, the committee clerk and I will do our best to maintain a consolidated order of speaking for all members, whether they are participating virtually or in person.

We are having some issues with both witnesses for this first panel. The technical team is working with them.

I want to take a few minutes for some committee business and ask for members' approval.

As you know, the minister will be appearing before the committee on February 17 in regard to the study we are going through. I want direction from the committee on whether they would like to finish the study on that day.

I will read the motion that was approved by the committee. The motion said to have five meetings. As of now, we have had one panel, on February 1, 2022, and two panels have been scheduled for February 3, February 8, February 10 and February 17. This brings us to four full meetings and one meeting of one hour.

Do you want to have an additional panel on March 1, or are members in favour of completing this study on February 17?

The motion we passed was for five meetings. We will have had four full meetings by February 17, after the minister's appearance, and one additional panel; in the first meeting, we used the first hour for committee business.

I would like to see which way the members would like to go. If you want to add an additional panel to make it five complete meetings, we can schedule it for March 1, and then we can work around the witnesses.

Go ahead, Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe.

11:15 a.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

I would stick to the original motion, which is five meetings in total, and that means 10 hours of meeting time. It would take an additional hour on March 1 to reach 10 hours of study.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Are there any other suggestions?

Go ahead, Mr. Seeback.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Madam Chair, I'm confused. Are you saying that the minister is coming on the 17th as part of this study? I thought the minister was coming on the 17th for backlogs.

If he's not coming on the 17th for backlogs, then when is the minister coming for backlogs?

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Madam Clerk, could you clarify in regard to the minister's appearances for the two meetings?

11:15 a.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Stephanie Bond

Yes, I can. He is confirmed for the 15th on backlogs and the 17th for this study.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Mr. Seeback, he's coming on the 15th for backlogs and the 17th is the panel we will have with him on the foreign students acceptance rates.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Kyle Seeback Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON

Okay.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Mr. Redekopp.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Brad Redekopp Conservative Saskatoon West, SK

Given the technical difficulties we seem to be having, it looks like we're probably not going to get much of this panel today. I would suggest that maybe we reschedule this panel for another time. Given that, I suppose you could put the other half together along with this one to make another meeting. It's just a thought.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

That seems reasonable.

Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe.

11:15 a.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Yes, we are partway into this hour now, and we could postpone it until March 1. That way, we can devote the full two-hour session to that panel. Is that right? Yes? No? I'm a little confused.

The objective is 10 hours of study time. If that works, if we do two hours on March 1, and we only do one hour today, that puts us at 10 hours, by my calculation. That said, I haven't done math in a long time.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Yes, you are correct, Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe. If this panel doesn't happen because of technical difficulties, because both the witnesses who were scheduled for this hour are not able to log in, we would not be able to hear from them.

11:15 a.m.

The Clerk

Madam Chair, we have both now.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Okay, we have both.

Ms. Kwan.

11:15 a.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

I'm going to pass, thanks.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Based on the discussion, it seems that members would like to have an additional one hour for the meeting on March 1. If we can have this panel, then we can work around the calendar and add that one hour. Maybe we can have that one hour and then add drafting instructions for this study to that.

We will schedule that. I will work with the clerk to work on the witness list.

Madam Lalonde.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

Marie-France Lalonde Liberal Orléans, ON

I'm sorry, Madam Chair. I just want to understand from the clerk the calendar going forward.

Are we saying to our witnesses currently that they will not speak today and they will come back on March 1, or are we welcoming our witnesses who seem to have resolved the technical difficulties and possibly take the other hour of individuals who are scheduled for the second hour to come back?

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Earlier when we started talking about this, both the witnesses were not able to log in. Now we have both the witnesses. I think we should hear from them and have this panel. Then we will have one additional panel for March 1. I think we can discuss the other committee business in the other meeting. Already we have lost 20 minutes, so I would request that we start the meeting now and then we can work around the calendar.

I will try to adjust this panel and the second panel so that we can be fair with the witnesses for both the panels.

Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe.

11:20 a.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

All right, that's fine.

That said, will we be able to make up the time today that we just spent on committee business and technical issues? Are we going to add those 20 minutes so that we have our full hour with our two witnesses?

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe, I will try to adjust the time. Meanwhile, I will check with the clerk to see if we have the interpretation and the room services available after 1 p.m., and I will adjust it accordingly.

I would like to begin the meeting.

Today the committee is continuing its study on the recruitment and acceptance rates of foreign students.

It is my pleasure to welcome both our witnesses who are appearing before the committee today. I would like to welcome Dr. Christian, president, African Scholars Initiative, and also His Excellency Dr. Khalilur Rahman, High Commissioner of the People's Republic of Bangladesh.

Welcome to both of you. I'm sorry for those technical difficulties. Both of you will have five minutes for your opening remarks, and then we will go into a round of questioning.

I will start with Dr. Christian, president of African Scholars Initiative.

11:20 a.m.

Gideon Christian President, African Scholars Initiative

Thank you, Madam Chair and honourable members of this committee, for the privilege to appear before you once again to discuss a very important issue relating to the growing difficulty faced by foreign students from Africa to secure study visas for post-secondary education in Canada.

11:20 a.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

I have a point of order, Madam Chair. Unfortunately, I can't hear the interpretation.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Is there no interpretation?

11:20 a.m.

The Clerk

The interpretation is back, Madam Chair.