Evidence of meeting #43 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was migrants.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Frantz André  Spokesperson and Coordinator, Comité d’action des personnes sans statut
Abdulla Daoud  Executive Director, The Refugee Centre
Pierre-Luc Bouchard  Refugee Lawyer and Head of Legal Department, The Refugee Centre
Eva-Gazelle Rududura  Vice-President, Unis pour une Intégration Consciente au Canada
Maureen Silcoff  Lawyer and Past President, Canadian Association of Refugee Lawyers
Vincent Desbiens  Lawyer, Quebec Immigration Lawyers Association
Stephan Reichhold  Director General, Table de concertation des organismes au service des personnes réfugiées et immigrantes
Perla Abou-Jaoudé  Lawyer, Quebec Immigration Lawyers Association

4:40 p.m.

Spokesperson and Coordinator, Comité d’action des personnes sans statut

Frantz André

Yes. I do think that they would end up in other provinces instead of ending up primarily in Quebec, where they have had to endure the insults we heard during the election campaign. They were said to be carriers of COVID-19, when they are future healthcare guardian angels and they helped save lives during the pandemic.

4:40 p.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Mr. André, I want you to know that I completely agree with you.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I'm sorry. Time is up.

We will now proceed to Mr. Dhaliwal.

Mr. Dhaliwal, you have two minutes for your round of questions. Please begin.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Surrey—Newton, BC

Thank you.

My questions will go to Mr. André as well.

Mr. André, you mentioned that people prefer to come to Canada over the U.S. That is a fact. People from anywhere from around the world want to live in Canada—I'm one of those examples as well—but that should not be the only reason for us to have these asylum seekers. My belief is that if we cancel the safe third country agreement.... We have seen 2.5 million individuals who have crossed the Mexico-U.S. border, and if we do not have this in place we will have a difficult time.

What would you say about that in terms of people freely moving into Canada?

4:40 p.m.

Spokesperson and Coordinator, Comité d’action des personnes sans statut

Frantz André

Mr. Dhaliwal, like you, I am an immigrant. My parents fled Haiti under the Duvalier regime.

We have to ask ourselves whether Canada has the will to save lives and admit people with dignity, when they have every reason for wanting to leave their countries. We must not forget that Canada is involved in a lot of domestic policies in some countries. An example is the Haitian community, who leave their country because for decades now, Canada, with its tax dollars, has been supporting the governments in power that compel people to flee their country.

Why not support them here, if we can't support them in their country?

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Surrey—Newton, BC

When it comes to relative numbers, not only relative to the other nations but in absolute numbers, we accepted more refugees than any other country. In fact, Canada is very generous when it comes to doing that.

You also mentioned that the U.S. is not a safe country to live in. In fact, my brother, who's a Canadian citizen, is working for a Canadian company...and I haven't heard that the U.S. is not a safe place compared with Canada.

Would you comment on that?

4:40 p.m.

Spokesperson and Coordinator, Comité d’action des personnes sans statut

Frantz André

I have family living in the United States. I have nephews who are academics. They can experience the reality of being among the privileged. The people arriving via Roxham Road do not have that education and risk being used as modern-day slaves and possibly...

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I'm sorry for interrupting. The time is up for Mr. Dhaliwal.

We will now proceed to Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe.

Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe, you have 90 seconds for your round of questioning. Please begin.

4:40 p.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Mr. André, I'm going to give you an opportunity to finish what you were saying. You have a free hand, and you have a minute and a half.

4:45 p.m.

Spokesperson and Coordinator, Comité d’action des personnes sans statut

Frantz André

I want to thank Canada for admitting my parents. I am a proud Canadian of Haitian origin, but I am first and foremost of Haitian origin. So I understand the problems and suffering people experience.

In my office, I met with a woman who had been raped by 15 people and saw her husband kill himself. She came to Canada when she was pregnant and she is left on her own. I think we have a duty to show that we really are a society and a country that has values.

I definitely suggest that a work permit be granted as quickly as possible and a social insurance number be assigned automatically at the same time. That would enable people to start working right away.

I suggest that a way be found to bring people to the regions by giving them incentives to encourage them not to all stay in the same place, and so avoid a possible housing shortage, for one thing. I am very much in favour of that idea.

I also believe that changes have to be made to the immigration process. I thank the lawyers for all the work they do for refugee claimants. I know the COVID-19 pandemic meant they had to use a new portal. I think the virtual interviews or hearings are completely devoid of humanity, particularly when a refugee claimant is not sitting beside their lawyer or has a wi-fi connection that doesn't work.

So we have a lot of work to do, to find a way that will reassure people so they are able to make their voice heard and feel accepted here.

4:45 p.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Thank you very much, and all the witnesses as well.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

We will now proceed to Ms. Kwan.

Ms. Kwan, you will have 90 seconds. You can please begin.

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

On the question about the brown paper, which is so vital, would you recommend that the government issue that to the asylum seekers on arrival, Mr. Daoud?

4:45 p.m.

Executive Director, The Refugee Centre

Abdulla Daoud

Yes, they should, as they have before.

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Mr. André, what do you think about that?

4:45 p.m.

Spokesperson and Coordinator, Comité d’action des personnes sans statut

Frantz André

I think it is essential, certainly.

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Ms. Rududura, go ahead.

4:45 p.m.

Vice-President, Unis pour une Intégration Consciente au Canada

Eva-Gazelle Rududura

I would agree with that.

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Canada used to have an exemption for the safe third country agreement, a second one, which would exempt individuals who are faced with a return back to their country of origin when it was not safe to do so. There was a moratorium for that to be in place. In 2009, the Harper government took that away.

To all the witnesses, should Canada be reinstating that in the face of the fact that they are not going to suspend the safe third country agreement, at least for those who are faced with gender-based violence, for example, or those who face gang violence?

4:45 p.m.

Executive Director, The Refugee Centre

Abdulla Daoud

Yes, I think it's pretty clear.

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Mr. André, go ahead.

4:45 p.m.

Spokesperson and Coordinator, Comité d’action des personnes sans statut

Frantz André

Certainly, yes.

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Ms. Rududura, go ahead.

4:45 p.m.

Vice-President, Unis pour une Intégration Consciente au Canada

Eva-Gazelle Rududura

I would agree with that as well.

4:45 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Thank you.

On the question around the United States.... Right now, given the change in administration, some people would say that the U.S. is a safe country for these asylum seekers. Is it?

Mr. André, go ahead.