Evidence of meeting #59 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was letter.

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Marilou McPhedran  Senator, Manitoba, not affiliated

April 19th, 2023 / 4:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I call this meeting to order.

Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to meeting number 59 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration. Today we will continue our study of the government's response to the final report of the Special Committee on Afghanistan.

On behalf of all members of this committee, I welcome the Honourable Marilou McPhedran.

Thank you for appearing before the committee. You will have five minutes for your opening remarks, and then we will go to our round of questioning.

Please begin.

4:30 p.m.

Marilou McPhedran Senator, Manitoba, not affiliated

Thank you, Madam Chair.

As an independent senator from Manitoba, I am privileged to reside in the territory covered by Treaty 1, the home of the Métis nation.

I'd like to thank the committee for inviting me to testify today.

In September 2022, The Globe and Mail published two articles containing allegations by Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada officials that I sent a standard document in August 2021 to stranded Afghans, mostly women fleeing the Taliban. Those allegations are false.

IRCC allegations against me in The Globe and Mail and elsewhere are false. They are not true.

On August 25, 2021, the facilitation template in question was sent to me by George Young, chief of staff to then minister of defence Harjit Sajjan. As members will remember, when Kabul fell, Canada had no diplomatic presence on the ground in Afghanistan, and Canadian special forces were empowered to do what was necessary to get people safely to the airport for evacuation.

Mr. Young received this facilitation template from Global Affairs Canada, and he told me this in writing. As the committee was told on February 8, both Global Affairs and IRCC were issuing facilitation templates, yet IRCC alleged that the facilitation letter I received from Mr. Young was inauthentic. This was despite the fact that the facilitation template I received from him was the exact same facilitation template content that IRCC was sending to vulnerable Afghans.

I will provide the committee with one of the Global Affairs letters from IRCC to compare with what I received. However, my office did request that the first facilitation template I received be changed so that it did not state that the bearer was a Canadian citizen, and Mr. Young quickly sent what was requested.

My office sent this facilitation template to a rolling list of vulnerable Afghans—names we were receiving from trusted advocates in a number of countries. Names for the rolling list were sent frequently to George Young and Mr. Oz Jungic, a senior policy adviser to the Minister of Foreign Affairs. Jungic confirmed receipt of the names to me on August 24, with an assurance that they would do everything they could to try to help get these people out.

Mr. Young stated that he had put these names “into the system”. Mr. Jungic emailed to say that he had shared these names “with GAC officials and IRCC”. My office continued to update the Government of Canada on additional Afghans who needed safe passage to the airport in Kabul, most of them women.

As the committee was told on February 8, IRCC testified that the facilitation letters were not meant to facilitate the boarding of a flight at the airport or confirmation of a visa. When George Young sent me the facilitation templates on August 25, he wrote, with the first one,“I have received this from a colleague at GAC...try it. George.” I understood that this meant I was authorized to use the template, and I was assured that the names we sent were being put into the system.

Madam Chair, these facilitation letters came from the chief of staff to the defence minister. IRCC was sending facilitation letters with the same content, also to help vulnerable Afghans escape the Taliban. I trusted then, and I do now, the facilitation templates that Mr. Young provided. I trust them to be authentic, and they helped to save many lives, mostly women.

Ultimately I made the decision to speak publicly to my colleagues in the Senate, when earlier this year I learned that an affidavit had been signed by an official at Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada continuing to allege that I was the source of the so-called inauthentic Global Affairs facilitation template. I then decided to provide my own affidavit in support of the Afghans challenging the IRCC, and I can provide this to you if you wish.

I appreciate this opportunity to correct the record.

Thank you.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Thank you, Senator.

We will now proceed with our rounds of questioning, beginning with Ms. Rempel Garner.

Ms. Rempel Garner, you will have six minutes for your round of questioning. Please begin.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

I would like to start by acknowledging that I think everyone in this room wishes the government had done more. There are still Afghans with connections to Canada who have not been evacuated and who should be.

Senator McPhedran, who in Global Affairs sent the visa facilitation letter to Mr. Young?

4:35 p.m.

Senator, Manitoba, not affiliated

Marilou McPhedran

I don't know.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

You don't know.

4:35 p.m.

Senator, Manitoba, not affiliated

Marilou McPhedran

I do know that the email Mr. Young sent had the first template attached, and he copied Mr. Jungic from Global Affairs.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Was Mr. Young aware of all the names you were adding to these facilitation letters?

4:35 p.m.

Senator, Manitoba, not affiliated

Marilou McPhedran

I can't answer that. He could answer that, but I understand you decided not to invite him. What happened is—

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Did you tell him which names you were filling into the facilitation letters?

4:35 p.m.

Senator, Manitoba, not affiliated

Marilou McPhedran

It was a rolling list. We had numerous emails, copies of which I'm happy to provide. We added names. We gave the names and also tried to make corrections as the situation changed.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

There was a rolling list, but did he know you were adding names to facilitation letters and then sending them out?

4:35 p.m.

Senator, Manitoba, not affiliated

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Was Minister Sajjan aware you were sending out these facilitation letters?

4:35 p.m.

Senator, Manitoba, not affiliated

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

He was. Do you have correspondence to that effect?

4:40 p.m.

Senator, Manitoba, not affiliated

Marilou McPhedran

I do, in that he was copied on the correspondence back and forth about what we were doing.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

He explicitly knew you were filling in names on visa facilitation letters.

4:40 p.m.

Senator, Manitoba, not affiliated

Marilou McPhedran

I can't speak to what Mr. Sajjan knew in his mind, but I can tell you that he was copied on the communications.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Can you table that with the committee?

4:40 p.m.

Senator, Manitoba, not affiliated

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Thank you.

Were you ever, at any point, told to stop issuing these facilitation letters by anyone in any government department?

4:40 p.m.

Senator, Manitoba, not affiliated

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Did you ever ask anyone in Global Affairs whether you had express authorization to write names on these facilitation letters?

4:40 p.m.

Senator, Manitoba, not affiliated

Marilou McPhedran

I did not, because the nature of our communication made what we were doing clear.