Evidence of meeting #65 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendments.
A recording is available from Parliament.
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Conservative
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Executive Director, Canadian Citizens Rights Council, As an Individual
It was a message.
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Conservative
Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB
A message over electronic means, like WeChat, WhatsApp, Signal?
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Executive Director, Canadian Citizens Rights Council, As an Individual
Yes.
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Conservative
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Executive Director, Canadian Citizens Rights Council, As an Individual
On April 20.
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Conservative
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Executive Director, Canadian Citizens Rights Council, As an Individual
Again, I'd like to say that stakeholder engagement is not just something that is permitted and not just something that is tolerated. It is vital and necessary in a democracy.
What she indicated is that it came from a member of the Bloc.
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Conservative
Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB
You're saying Michèle Vallée said that she received this document from a member of the Bloc.
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Executive Director, Canadian Citizens Rights Council, As an Individual
From the Bloc.
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Executive Director, Canadian Citizens Rights Council, As an Individual
That's all the information I have.
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Conservative
Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB
Okay.
You probably saw that, when I raised a matter of a point of privilege.... I don't blame you, Mr. Emery. This is entirely not of your doing. It wasn't even my motion to bring you before this committee. I wasn't there at that meeting, either, when this motion was passed. The reason we have all of these rules is so that the work can be done by the committee.
I would like you then, if you can, tell me this: When it was communicated to you, what was the context of the communication? Was this one stakeholder group sharing it with another and she had just obtained the information in a roundabout way, or was she communicating it to you so that you could do your work more easily?
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Executive Director, Canadian Citizens Rights Council, As an Individual
This was in the context of a conversation.
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Conservative
Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB
Okay. You didn't ask for this information. She just volunteered it to you.
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Executive Director, Canadian Citizens Rights Council, As an Individual
I did ask for this information.
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Conservative
Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB
Did you know that she had this information, or did you come to be aware of it during the conversation?
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Executive Director, Canadian Citizens Rights Council, As an Individual
I knew, yes.
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Conservative
Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB
Okay.
Later on in that email that has been shared with the committee, there's a line where you say:
Nhat I have heard about the Liberal NDP compromise is that they will offer sub amendments to the NDP.amendments
-to increase the connection test to 1095 days, only for parents, and by right vs. grant.
Did you find out that information from Michèle Vallée as well, or did you find out through your communication with MP offices and MP office staff?
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Executive Director, Canadian Citizens Rights Council, As an Individual
Would the member mind repeating the full question?
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Conservative
Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB
Sure.
I hope that time is not deducted from my overall....
Your wrote in your email:
Nhat I have heard about the Liberal NDP compromise is that they will offer sub amendments to the NDP.amendments
-to increase the connection test to 1095 days, only for parents, and by right vs. grant.
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Executive Director, Canadian Citizens Rights Council, As an Individual
The question is whether I received....
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Conservative
Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB
Did you come to understand through Michèle Vallée that this is what was going to happen to one of the NDP amendments, or did you come to understand that this is what was going to happen based on communication with different MP offices and their staff?
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Executive Director, Canadian Citizens Rights Council, As an Individual
I came to understand that, as Ms. Kwan had mentioned, in the last meeting that she shared this very broadly—