Evidence of meeting #70 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Nicole Girard  Director General, Citizenship Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Keelan Buck

9:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe, I'm sorry for interrupting.

Go ahead, Mr. Dhaliwal.

9:50 p.m.

Liberal

Sukh Dhaliwal Liberal Surrey—Newton, BC

Madam Chair, I know there's an important discussion going on, but if there's a hard stop at 10 o'clock, we should give Madam Kwan an opportunity to bring up the motion that she raised earlier on students, if she wants to.

9:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe has the floor. Let him finish.

9:50 p.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

What I am trying to point out is that our Conservative friends proposed a subamendment to their own amendment, but that it doesn't seem to change anything at all compared to what is currently being done. That's more or less what I was saying.

You've given a partial answer to my question: you too appear to be wondering about the option for responding online with respect to the connection clause and participating in the ceremony afterwards. The French words “option virtuelle” could cover what is currently the case. Logically speaking, it could be interpreted in that way.

9:55 p.m.

Director General, Citizenship Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Nicole Girard

It's possible, but that remains to be seen.

9:55 p.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

It's true that it's vague.

June 5th, 2023 / 9:55 p.m.

Director General, Citizenship Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Nicole Girard

That's right.

9:55 p.m.

Bloc

Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe Bloc Lac-Saint-Jean, QC

Thank you.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

9:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Thank you.

Mr. Redekopp—

9:55 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

Madam Chair, on a point of order—

9:55 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Redekopp Conservative Saskatoon West, SK

I wanted to speak to the subamendment.

9:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

We have a hard stop at 10 o'clock. We will have no services beyond 10 o'clock.

Ms. Kwan, would you like to have the floor to add to what had you mentioned at the beginning?

9:55 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

I have point of order, Chair.

9:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Yes, Mr. Hoback.

9:55 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

I understand that you have run out of the budget for this committee. You don't have a budget for meals and things like that. Are you going to propose increasing the budget for these meetings so that members and interpreters and staff can actually be properly fed at night, instead of just ordering in pizza at the last minute?

9:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I will work on that with the clerk to see what can be done.

Ms. Kwan.

9:55 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

Excuse me, Madam Chair.

Will you be bringing that to committee, then, to review and vote on? You will actually have to amend the original budget—

9:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I will discuss it with the clerk and the authorities, and then get back to the committee. I will have to check on that and then get back.

9:55 p.m.

Conservative

Randy Hoback Conservative Prince Albert, SK

When can I expect you to get back to us?

9:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

In the next meeting.

Go ahead, Mr. Redekopp.

9:55 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Redekopp Conservative Saskatoon West, SK

On a point of order, Madam Chair, I'm trying to understand what's going on here. Forgive me, because I don't necessarily know all the rules.

We are debating an amendment and then a subamendment, and I believe you have a speaking list on your paper there. I'm confused—maybe the clerk can help us out here—as to how we are moving to Ms. Kwan when you have a speaking order and we're on a clause-by-clause subamendment.

9:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Let me clarify that.

She mentioned, and I said to her, that she could do that at the end. I have the speaking list. That will be maintained. We will be coming back to that.

With that, I will pass the—

9:55 p.m.

Conservative

Brad Redekopp Conservative Saskatoon West, SK

Madam Chair, I'm not done on the point of order.

I'd like to know, because that doesn't jibe with what I know about how committees work. Could the clerk confirm that this is something you actually can do?

9:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Our resources are running out. I'm suspending the meeting.

I have the speaking list. We will come back to it.

[The meeting was suspended at 9:58 p.m., Monday, June 5]

[The meeting resumed at 3:36 p.m., Tuesday, June 6]

3:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I call this meeting to order.

We are resuming meeting number 70 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration. We are continuing our clause-by-clause study of Bill S-245.

When we left off, we were debating a subamendment to amendment CPC-8. We had Mr. Redekopp and Mr. Mazier on the floor, so I will go to Mr. Redekopp, as he was on the speaking list.

Mr. Redekopp, go ahead.