Evidence of meeting #11 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 39th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was women.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Anita Olsen-Harper  Sisters in Spirit Team Lead, Native Women's Association of Canada
Karen Schuyler  Community Development, Native Women's Association of Canada
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Roger Préfontaine
Patrick Brazeau  National Chief, Congress of Aboriginal Peoples
Jerry Peltier  Consultant, Congress of Aboriginal Peoples

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Colin Mayes

Could I please open this meeting of the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development, on this Monday, June 12, 2006.

Committee members, the witnesses haven't arrived yet, but it was suggested that we could possibly go over a few of the questions of where we want to focus on education. Mr. Préfontaine is also handing out a list of potential witnesses the committee might want to summon for some future meetings.

I know that the subcommittee was going to meet tomorrow and discuss where we want to focus on education. Maybe we could have a little discussion on that right now, if that's the pleasure of the committee. We can just get some ideas out there, and then see if our witnesses show up. Then we'll proceed.

Madam Crowder.

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

Thanks, Mr. Chair.

Before anybody looks at list and goes, holy mackerel, what was she thinking, I would say in explanation that my list is extensive because the committee did not have a focus in terms of what it wanted to look at specifically in education. So I was a bit challenged around submitting witnesses, when I wasn't sure where we were going.

I wonder if the committee might want to consider the fact that based on the Auditor General's report of 2004, the department is in the process of developing the policy and the framework piece in close consultation with first nations across the country, and down to the community level. I am wondering if we might want to wait for that document to come forward before looking at the K to 12 system.

What I would suggest is that perhaps there's an opportunity for us to look at post-secondary trades and technical education instead, while we're waiting for that policy document to come forward from INAC. Otherwise, it would seem like we would be duplicating work that's in progress.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Colin Mayes

Thank you. It's a good suggestion.

Mr. Lemay.

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

In my opinion, we should focus on the practical side of things in our questions to witnesses. So I beg of you not to bring along aboriginal education thinkers who would talk to us about the report they drafted in response to the previous one. What Bloc members are interested in is the practical side of things. How do things work in the communities? Most of all, what are your expectations in terms of the education of first nation people, the Inuit, the Métis, in the broadest sense possible? I can assure you that we will ask very practical questions to the witnesses we selected. What do you want to do? What have you done? What will you do about education development among first nations people, the Inuit, the Métis, etc.?

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Colin Mayes

Thank you.

We have witnesses now. Do you want to proceed with the witness, or do you want to continue this discussion?

Okay, we'll proceed with the witnesses.

The witness we have today is from the Native Women's Association of Canada, Anita Olsen-Harper, the Sisters in Spirit team lead. Welcome.

We also have Karen Schuyler from community development. Welcome.

Anita Olsen-Harper Sisters in Spirit Team Lead, Native Women's Association of Canada

First of all, I want to apologize for being late. We did get caught up in the security downstairs.

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Oh, yes?

Anita Neville Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

That's reassuring.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Colin Mayes

We always feel safer with the security being there, even if they do slow things down.

3:35 p.m.

Sisters in Spirit Team Lead, Native Women's Association of Canada

Anita Olsen-Harper

I'm going to begin with the introduction.

The Native Women's Association of Canada's mission is to help empower aboriginal women by being involved in developing and changing relevant legislation, and by involving aboriginal women in developing and delivering programs and services that promote equal opportunity for them.

I'm going to identify some overarching objectives and priorities in the area of education for aboriginal women in Canada; then I'll recommend a approaches and options for programming that will improve access to lifelong learning opportunities for aboriginal women.

NWAC believes that the responsibility of education begins in the home, that families can nurture their children to be proud of who they are and to be comfortable in a predominantly non-aboriginal environment. We envision a community where all aboriginal people accept and exercise their responsibilities in contributing to a strong community.

3:40 p.m.

Sisters in Spirit Team Lead, Native Women's Association of Canada

Anita Olsen-Harper

Many aboriginal women do accept this responsibility, but in order to exercise that responsibility to the fullest, they must have a voice regarding the educational opportunities that should be available in all the communities in which they live. This would be their way of ensuring that not only the curriculum content but also the pedagogy and/or andragogy are culturally appropriate, as well as reflecting their needs and priorities.

NWAC fully subscribes to the philosophy of lifelong learning. We know that to succeed in life, one needs to continually update skills, challenge one's own belief system, self-assess abilities, and expose oneself to current thinking.

One of the reasons lifelong education has become so important is the acceleration of scientific and technological progress in today's society. Despite the increased duration of primary, secondary, and university education, somewhere between 14 and 18 years, depending on the area of the country, the knowledge and the skills acquired are usually not sufficient for a professional career that spans three or four decades.

Basic supports. For aboriginal women, access and increased integration into lifelong learning initiatives are essential. However, basic supports are just as vital as the access itself. This is particularly the case for single-parent women, low-income families, and those living in rural, remote, or Arctic communities. Essential environmental supports include affordable housing for aboriginal women, with a priority for single parents on and off reserves; adequate funding for basic living expenses as well as educational resources and technological hardware; and safe, reliable, and accessible child care facilities.

Aboriginal women, for too long, have had to make the choice between providing for their families in low-paying jobs or struggling and going without to make ends meet while they continue their education. In fact, many aboriginal women living in poverty not only have to look after themselves but also must care for elderly parents, raise children, and/or tend loved ones who are in ill health, often with only a single income. These living conditions are not the best for furthering self-esteem and for achieving educational goals.

Rather than having to make this choice, positive steps are needed for creating a learning culture in aboriginal communities. Providing meaningful support can challenge even those most reticent in continuing their education or skills development. A relationship/partnership model brings together aboriginal and mainstream communities for a wide range of community partnerships to support lifelong learning needs. It would encourage a lifelong learning trend and fill the gaps for those who require upgrading and/or skills development.

Curriculum research and development. This area must prioritize aboriginal culture and recognize the traditional learning methods and tools that are used by aboriginal people. Educational programs, from kindergarten to post-secondary levels, must be enhanced with accurate historical aboriginal content and appropriate cultural teachings. Aboriginal women must be integral to the research, the design, the development, and delivery of curriculum in all institutions. Greater emphasis is required to incorporate within aboriginal curriculum the traditional roles of aboriginal women within the community. Further, gender equality issues and teachings on positive relationship-building between men and women and in family life is an urgent priority.

Additional gender-specific research is greatly needed to determine all aspects of lifelong learning initiatives. Other options could explore learning, with accreditation in the workplace, allowing programs to integrate work practicum with advancement opportunities for women. These approaches provide the flexibility for aboriginal women to meet their lifelong learning goals.

Sustainability and capacity-building. Aboriginal youth comprise the fastest growing segment in the Canadian population. An investment in education, skills, and training for trades will fill the gaps in the market for professionals and skilled tradespeople.

Additional ways of sustained lifelong learning include, one, giving aboriginal learning institutions priority to evolve into public institutions to enable access to funding formulae that are available from provincial governments; two, incentive programming with remuneration agreements for graduating students; and three, employment options within communities for certain terms may help to support funding and demands for human resource development.

In terms of other essential factors, the federal government must clearly articulate support and provide adequate financial resources for the transfer of jurisdiction and control of education to aboriginal-controlled educational institutions. Government policy must support aboriginal learning institutions and educational programming at all levels, whether primary, secondary, or post-secondary.

Governments must recognize that learning happens through many non-traditional methods and must provide aboriginal women with sufficient support to access these opportunities in ways that are most suitable to individual circumstances. Leading researchers acknowledge the validity of traditional knowledge for filling gaps in western and scientific knowledge.

Aboriginal women must be assured an equal role in decision-making at all levels of education, from governance to policy reform. Aboriginal women must be included in developing and maintaining partnerships among mainstream public authorities, education service providers, the business sector, different associations, guidance services, and research centres.

Education and training systems need to recognize competencies acquired not only in formal but in non-formal and informal settings. This must be established between the government and academic partners. Law and government policies need an approach to lifelong learning whereby competencies can be certified irrespective of how they were acquired. Competencies acquired through work should be assessed and potentially recognized in the same way as those acquired through formal institutions.

Federal transfers to the province and territories must be increased to support educational programming and for lifelong learning to be accessible for aboriginal people, for example, whether they live on or off the reserve.

Educational programming from kindergarten to post-secondary levels must be enhanced with accurate, historical aboriginal content and appropriate cultural teachings. Aboriginal women must be integral to the research, design, development, and delivery of the curriculum throughout all institutions.

I'm now going to move to the recommendations.

Incentive mortgage rates through CMHC or through partnerships with federal commercial banks need be made available for aboriginal people, in particular aboriginal women returning to school and achieving accreditation

Priority must be given for northern remote and Arctic communities to have access to telephone lines, Internet connections and/or hardware, and resources such as mentoring and coaching for learning at home and within the community

The federal government needs to establish learning centres for aboriginal women that respond to local choices and needs. Each centre must be provided with adequate resources to create programming that includes access to information, technology and learning facilities, self-directed and modular training, and distance learning through video conferences and community websites.

In conclusion, I would be remiss if I didn't mention the racialized, sexualized violence that aboriginal women experience all over this country. A 1996 INAC study showed that the mortality rate because of violence is five times higher for aboriginal women than it is for other Canadian women between the ages of 25 and 44. The correlation between poverty and violence has been established, and the major reason aboriginal women continue to struggle with being impoverished is lack of education. High rates of violence experienced by aboriginal women definitely have negative impacts on youth and children, and the cycles of violence keep being perpetuated.

Low education levels create poverty, and poverty often breeds violence. It is only through empowerment through proper education that aboriginal women and their roles in the family, in the community, and within their first nation can once again gain the respect that they always held in the traditional communities. Higher learning allows work within communities, which in turn achieves a higher life quality.

We trust that you recognize, as we do, that educated aboriginal women provide much-needed support for the entire family's learning, that a fundamental concept is that education of women and girls is central to the process of community development, and that the gains and advancements accomplished by aboriginal women benefit everybody.

Meegwetch.

Thank you.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Colin Mayes

Thank you very much for the submission.

The protocol here is that I have a list of those who would like to ask questions, so if you wouldn't mind responding to those, I'd appreciate that.

I'll ask the questioners to be brief, and we'll start off with Mr. Merasty.

Gary Merasty Liberal Desnethé—Missinippi—Churchill River, SK

Thank you, Chairman.

I think your presentation was excellent. Being an educator myself, and having worked in the field for many years in aboriginal communities--first nations on-reserve and off-reserve--I can say that one of the big issues, and you touched upon this, is the importance of early childhood, the Head Start program.

I'm not sure if you're familiar with the process that will kick in from this government on July 1, the $1,200 allowance, and the early learning opportunity program they have through a tax credit proposal. It's our belief that, number one, the child tax benefit supplement that goes to low income is going to be clawed back. You're going to get that $100 a month only. If you're living on-reserve the tax rate increases, so that's potentially less money in the pockets of single-parent families in inner-city neighbourhoods and on-reserve.

Second, the tax credit proposal talks about giving tax credits to businesses to build early learning and child care centres. That won't allow for on-reserve or economically marginalized neighbourhoods like inner cities.

How do you think it will affect the provision for early child care and early learning if these policies go forward?

Karen Schuyler Community Development, Native Women's Association of Canada

Given the fact that a lot of our aboriginal women don't have a lot of income, I don't see any benefit from the tax credit at all. As a matter of fact, taking dollars from the welfare that they already get just furthers their poverty.

Gary Merasty Liberal Desnethé—Missinippi—Churchill River, SK

Changing gears a bit, I read the “Stolen Sisters” report and the INAC report you've talked about. I used to work within our tribal council, in the Prince Albert Grand Council Women's Commission, and I organized walks and events to promote raising awareness to prevent violence. One of the big recommendations that has always come out is about education. That's why we're here today, and that's why you're here today.

What role do you think the federal government should play to support aboriginal students on- and off-reserve to address some of these issues to stay in school, understanding that the provinces have the jurisdiction when it's off-reserve, and the first nations have it when it's on-reserve?

What specific ideas might you have that could support stay-in-school initiatives and improve graduation rates, especially for girls, in those two communities?

3:55 p.m.

Sisters in Spirit Team Lead, Native Women's Association of Canada

Anita Olsen-Harper

I'll take a stab at answering that.

I really believe an educational system has to be interesting and relevant. I really believe most educational curricula across the country are not very friendly towards aboriginal people. I find that we are not really represented in an adequate light, and in fact many times the images are pejorative, to put it bluntly.

It does not inspire students to want to continue on in that stream when this is the case so often. I suggest that one way to remedy this would be to allow further resources for curriculum development, delivery, and design within the community and tailored to the needs of that particular community.

Gary Merasty Liberal Desnethé—Missinippi—Churchill River, SK

So you would ask that the federal government provide some incentive for partnerships to occur to develop the curriculum and move forward in that direction?

3:55 p.m.

Sisters in Spirit Team Lead, Native Women's Association of Canada

Anita Olsen-Harper

Yes, that would be one way of addressing it.

Gary Merasty Liberal Desnethé—Missinippi—Churchill River, SK

I have one quick question to either one.

Women right now out-graduate men approximately five to one, and one of the things that one of your members, Sandra Opikokew, and others where I come from discussed is how this is a concern for women because it leaves the men unhealthy. It is a women's issue where women out-graduate men in post-secondary sometimes five to one. They were telling us that this needs to be addressed as well, that this men's issue is also a women's issue, because if they are undereducated and at home, or underemployed, it leads to poverty issues that result in violence and so on.

What is your view on that?

3:55 p.m.

Sisters in Spirit Team Lead, Native Women's Association of Canada

Anita Olsen-Harper

I really believe that what Sandra has said is extremely valid. But I guess you have to look at it from a historical context as well, because somebody had to do something. I suggest that the reason it has been women who have taken this first step is that we have had the major child nurturing responsibilities and the responsibilities towards our parents for keeping them and to have our roles within the communities. Some of those are, of course, traditional roles. So I very much empathize with the lack of programming for men on reserves.

Gary Merasty Liberal Desnethé—Missinippi—Churchill River, SK

Do I have any time left?

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Colin Mayes

You have one minute.

Gary Merasty Liberal Desnethé—Missinippi—Churchill River, SK

That's what they were saying, that women have been the carriers of the economy. That's the socio-economic reality, especially on reserves where the majority of the employment is held by women. Unfortunately, because of high rates of violence, sometimes that's traced back to the undereducation of another segment of the population, and that raises concerns. So I'm encouraged to hear that.

In post-secondary and further, I don't know if you're familiar with Indian student support funding and PSSP, the post-secondary students support program, policies. What do you think needs to happen? What type of investment do you think needs to happen for institutions and for students to continue to see an increase in graduations of aboriginal students?

4 p.m.

Sisters in Spirit Team Lead, Native Women's Association of Canada

Anita Olsen-Harper

I think there are several things that could be done, but I believe there have to be more access programs at the university level. For example, the University of Manitoba has had some very good successes with access programs into the trades, which are extremely valid. Who is to say that an academic career is more valid than a strong career in the trades? I really believe that educational institutions have a role to play in the access being more friendly to aboriginal men and women.

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Colin Mayes

Thank you.

Mr. Lemay.