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Evidence of meeting #25 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 39th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was martin.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Paul Martin Liberal LaSalle—Émard, QC

I'm answering you. And following that, there was a signed agreement with the province of British Columbia to have a transformative change agreement.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Rod Bruinooge Conservative Winnipeg South, MB

I didn't ask about the British Columbia agreement. I was asking about this document that you're referring to.

Paul Martin Liberal LaSalle—Émard, QC

No, wait. May I?

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Rod Bruinooge Conservative Winnipeg South, MB

Go ahead.

Paul Martin Liberal LaSalle—Émard, QC

If you had been there, you would have seen it. If you had looked on television--

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Rod Bruinooge Conservative Winnipeg South, MB

I was watching on television.

Paul Martin Liberal LaSalle—Émard, QC

Well, then you saw it. You saw the provincial leaders--

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Rod Bruinooge Conservative Winnipeg South, MB

I didn't see the signatures. I didn't see any signing.

Paul Martin Liberal LaSalle—Émard, QC

You saw the provincial leaders and the Prime Minister of Canada all stand up and endorse the accord. You saw it happen. You saw the official signing with the Premier of British Columbia of the--

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Rod Bruinooge Conservative Winnipeg South, MB

We didn't see a signing in Kelowna.

Paul Martin Liberal LaSalle—Émard, QC

--of the Transformative Change Accord with the Province of British Columbia.

The issue really is, and I simply put it to you, that you can debate around it the way you want. You can say what happened on television never happened. You can say that in fact reality is unreality, but the one thing you cannot--

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Rod Bruinooge Conservative Winnipeg South, MB

Mr. Martin, clearly you've indicated that there is no signed accord. You've indicated that here.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Colin Mayes

The one thing you cannot do is deny that this agreement took place and that what they laid out was a path to the future. And the question--

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Rod Bruinooge Conservative Winnipeg South, MB

Mr. Martin, we're right now debating whether or not we can implement a Kelowna accord according to the bill that you're putting before Parliament, and if there is no signed accord, how can we implement it?

Paul Martin Liberal LaSalle—Émard, QC

Just before you do, what I don't understand is why aren't you concerned with the human tragedy that's taking place? Why aren't you concerned about how we accomplish--

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Rod Bruinooge Conservative Winnipeg South, MB

I'm very concerned with the human tragedy. That's why I ran for Parliament, and that's why I want to end the deception that you're currently putting before the people of Canada, especially aboriginal people.

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

I have a point of order, Mr. Chairman.

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Colin Mayes

Go ahead, Mr. Scott.

Andy Scott Liberal Fredericton, NB

If I may, the--

9:45 a.m.

Conservative

Rod Bruinooge Conservative Winnipeg South, MB

This question is for Mr. Martin.

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

No, it's not up to you.

9:50 a.m.

Conservative

Rod Bruinooge Conservative Winnipeg South, MB

This isn't question period; this is answer period. I'm asking of Mr. Martin.

Carolyn Bennett Liberal St. Paul's, ON

Now, this is rudeness.

Andy Scott Liberal Fredericton, NB

I was invited to be a witness here.

9:50 a.m.

Conservative

Rod Bruinooge Conservative Winnipeg South, MB

Yes. I'm asking these questions of Mr. Martin, though.