Evidence of meeting #17 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 39th Parliament, 2nd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was money.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

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Michael Wernick  Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development
Peter Harrison  Deputy Minister, Indian Residential Schools Resolution Canada, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

4:55 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

We spend all of the grants and contributions dollars that Parliament gives us, right down to within a few hundred dollars.

What I have is a series of votes, which are laid out for you in the estimates. I have an envelope of money to manage, which has to go toward making contributions to the first nations for the education systems, for paying tuition bills to neighbouring school boards, for child and family services, for water, for housing, for income assistance payments, and so on. Within that, about $1 billion goes for infrastructure, major capital and minor capital, operating costs of facilities, and so on.

We try to allocate that across regions and across those four or five cost areas. It does all get spent each year. We try to manage this waiting list system of projects as best we can.

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

There's also some money being reallocated, I guess, due to delays in certain programs rolling out. International polar year was announced in 2005, and announced again subsequent to that. Why would there be a delay in rolling out the work of the international polar year to the tune of some $5 million?

The follow-up will be about the office of the federal interlocutor. I'll make some comments when we have main estimates because of the huge decrease that's projected in that particular budgetary item.

Again, the rollout of the urban aboriginal strategy has been delayed. Can you explain why we have delays in that area and in the one mentioned earlier?

4:55 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

With regard to international polar year, that is a consortium of at least six federal departments. We act as a banker, and money flows out to those departments for implementation.

I can try to find out for you, but it's simply a matter that sometimes it doesn't fit into the fiscal year. The money will be spent; a $150 million commitment was made. Most of it's going out for science and research, and what's not spent this year will be spent next year.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Barry Devolin

You have one more minute.

4:55 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

On the urban aboriginal strategy, I think that was simply some slippage in getting cabinet approvals and getting it rolled out. Again, those moneys will be spent later.

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

Okay.

Just very quickly, who's paying for the new icebreaker? Is it Indian Affairs or is it DFO?

4:55 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

No, no, that money will be appropriated to the coast guard through another committee on another vote.

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

Okay. And why is she being stationed in St. John's if she's an Arctic icebreaker?

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Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

I think you should ask the commissioner of the coast guard what they're going to do with their new ship when it's delivered nine years from now.

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Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

I want it in Goose Bay; that's in the Arctic, in the north.

Thank you.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Barry Devolin

Thank you very much.

This will conclude our questioning. I am going to suspend for a couple of minutes. We will be going in camera. Before we do that, I want to thank the witnesses for being here today.

At this point, we have the choice as a committee--

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Liberal

Anita Neville Liberal Winnipeg South Centre, MB

I'm assuming that the information the parliamentary secretary asked the department for will be distributed to all members.

5 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

Mr. Chairman, I have two very quick remarks. I don't want to hold you up.

One, I am very conscious that we owe you some responses from our last appearance. I was horrified to find out that they hadn't been delivered yet. They will be in your hands before the end of the week.

We will go through, with the committee clerk, the questions. We're taking careful notes, and you'll get written responses to as many as we can provide--and certainly more quickly than the last time.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Barry Devolin

And I will ask the clerk to distribute those to all committee members. Thank you.

At this point the committee has a choice. We can formally go through the votes at this point; if we choose not to do that, the votes will be deemed passed.

Okay? Thank you.

I will suspend for two minutes while we clear the room. We'll go in camera to discuss our subcommittee report.

[Proceedings continue in camera]