Evidence of meeting #16 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was money.

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MPs speaking

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Michael Wernick  Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Chris Warkentin

I call the meeting to order.

This is the 16th meeting of the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development. Today we are pursuing our study of supplementary estimates (C) for 2013-14. We have the privilege of being joined by the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development.

Minister Valcourt, we want to thank you for being with us today.

We also have the deputy minister, Michael Wernick, as well as Pamela d'Eon, who is the acting chief financial officer. Thank you so much for joining us as well.

Thank you all for taking time out of your busy schedules to join us this afternoon.

Minister, we'll turn it over to you for your opening statement. Then, of course, we will have some questions for you to follow up on that.

3:30 p.m.

Madawaska—Restigouche New Brunswick

Conservative

Bernard Valcourt ConservativeMinister of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development

Thank you, Mr. Chair, for inviting me and my officials to outline our department's supplementary estimates (C) for 2013-14.

Before I do—and you alluded to it—I want to thank committee members for the valuable role they play in ensuring that Canadian tax dollars are used wisely and are achieving their intended results, among them, jobs, economic opportunities, and long-term prosperity for aboriginals and northerners. I would also note that, as this committee sees I'm sure, our government is currently pursuing a heavy legislative agenda related to aboriginal peoples and the north, and I want to express my gratitude to this committee for its ongoing work in moving this agenda forward.

Mr. Chair, from the many local projects—roads, water systems, schools, and connectivity projects—to initiatives aimed at large-scale reform such as the recently announced first nations control of first nations education act or the Northwest Territories lands and resources devolution agreement, our government is delivering on its commitment to create jobs and economic opportunities for aboriginal and northern communities. We remain focused on ensuring that aboriginal peoples are an integral part of our government's broader jobs and economic growth agenda, while building a renewed relationship with first nations people.

I believe we have made important progress in that vein. Areas where we have seen significant improvements are skills and training, education, economic development, claim resolution, and removing barriers to better governance.

Through work with willing partners, carefully targeted investments, legislation as well as claims agreements, we continue to take the concrete steps necessary to create the conditions for stronger, more self-sufficient aboriginal and northern communities.

Through these estimates, we are continuing to make strategic and targeted investments in the amount of $72.4 million that are directed at shared priorities we have with first nations, Inuit, Métis and northerners. Furthermore, the supplementary estimates earmarked $36.1 million to meet the Government of Canada's obligations under the Northwest Territories Lands and Resources Devolution Agreement, which I had the privilege of signing in Inuvik last June, on behalf of the Government of Canada, along with the Government of the Northwest Territories and five aboriginal partners.

This historic agreement gives northerners greater control over their own lands and resources, all the while unlocking the economic potential of the region by modernizing the existing regulatory regime. This will strengthen environmental stewardship and protection and ensure that the Northwest Territories remains an attractive place to live, work and invest.

The health and safety of first nations communities is also something we have to heart and it is a priority of our government. To that end, $33.2 million from our supplementary estimates will address health and safety concerns related to flooding and other natural disasters that occurred in first nations communities in 2013.

As you will recall, a number of serious weather-related incidents this past year put first nation residents at risk, including flooding in Saskatchewan and floods and storm surges in the Atlantic region. Several communities in northern Manitoba and Ontario also had to be evacuated due to forest fires. Funds allocated in these supplementary estimates go towards provinces, territories, or other organizations that incurred costs in both responding to and recovering from these emergency situations.

In November 2013 I also announced a new comprehensive approach to emergency management that will better protect the health and safety of first nations people living on reserve. This new approach will simplify the current process by creating a new single window for first nations to secure funding for emergency costs. This will eliminate overlap and provide first nations and provinces and territories improved access to emergency funding when needed.

As well, we are revising the emergency management assistance program to strengthen program management and provide greater clarity about expense eligibility. Within that reform, we are also providing $19.1 million to negotiate and implement new or renewed agreements with the provinces and territories that support emergency preparedness. This includes the development of emergency management plans for first nation communities that will provide for timely, effective, and efficient support in times of crisis.

A further important initiative funded through these supplementary estimates is the new Centre of Excellence for Matrimonial Real Property. A portion of the $1 million will be provided to the centre to implement and enforce the Family Homes on Reserves and Matrimonial Interests or Rights Act. I was pleased to be in Vancouver this past December, Mr. Chair, to announce its coming into force and mark another important milestone towards ensuring that families living on reserve have access to the same basic rights and protections as all other Canadians in the case of a breakdown in marriage, common-law partnership, or divorce—protections that they have been without for nearly three decades.

Mr. Chair, we know that aboriginal youth represent the fastest growing segment of the population, and yet they have one of the lowest graduation and unemployment rates today. This situation concerns us.

Supplementary estimates (C) has also set aside another $1 million for Cape Breton University's Purdy-Crawford Chair and aboriginal business studies to encourage business studies by aboriginal students. This money, which was announced in last year's economic action plan, will enable more young people to develop business, investment and corporate skills to spur economic development in aboriginal communities across the country.

Mr. Chair, as you can see, the expenditures detailed in these estimates are vital to the lives and livelihood of aboriginal people and northerners. They are key to improving their standard of living and quality of life, and continued economic development, jobs and growth.

I welcome the committee member's questions regarding my presentation. My officials and I will be pleased to answer your questions about any aspect of the supplementary estimates (C).

Thank you.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Chris Warkentin

Thank you, Minister.

We'll begin our rounds of questioning with Ms. Crowder for the first seven minutes.

3:35 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Welcome, Mr. Minister. It's always a pleasure to see you before the committee.

I think part of the challenge for us as committee members is that we get this document called the report on plans and priorities that sets out the direction for the coming fiscal year. Then we get various estimates that actually don't talk about whether the department is achieving what it set out in its plans and priorities.

In your speech you mentioned the fact that one of your initiatives was continuing to work with partners, and so on, with regard to claims agreements. I wonder if you could update us on something from page 32 in the plans and priorities. I didn't see it in the supplementary (C)s and I can't tell if the department has spent money on this.

In the plans and priorities, there was a commitment to continue to advance negotiations on the administration of justice, and it specifically talked about the Teslin Tlingit Council First Nation. I wonder if you could tell me whether funds have been committed to the administration of justice agreement for Teslin.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Bernard Valcourt Conservative Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

You know, I'm here to discuss the supplementary estimates (C), and I'm afraid I'll have the chance to come back to talk about the estimates for the next fiscal year—

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

No, this is estimates for last year, though. It was mentioned specifically in the plans for this year.

The only reason I raised it was that in your speech you talked about claims agreements, and of course the Teslin Tlingit justice agreement was part of a claims agreement. Since you were mentioning that you made this commitment, if you can't update us today, then I wonder if the department could tell us if money has been spent on the administration of justice agreement with the Teslin Tlingit.

Perhaps they could provide that to us in writing if you aren't able to answer that today.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Bernard Valcourt Conservative Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

I will ask my deputy to answer.

3:40 p.m.

Michael Wernick Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

I'm not familiar with the status of that specific agreement. We'll provide it in writing to the clerk, if that's acceptable.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

Perfect. That's great. Thank you.

Mr. Minister, in your speech you also mentioned that you're providing $19.1 million to negotiate and implement new or renewed agreements with regard to emergency preparedness. But when I look at the supplementary (C)s, I don't see the emergency preparedness.

Was the $19.1 million that you mentioned in the main estimates?

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Bernard Valcourt Conservative Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

The supplementary estimates identifies $33.2 million for funding related to the emergency response and recovery funding to our partners that was incurred during 2013.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

Right. I understand that piece, but you also in your speech mentioned $19.1 million.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Bernard Valcourt Conservative Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

Yes.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

I assume that's not included in the supplementary (C)s but that's money that was already profiled, and you were just talking about what the government had already committed to.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Bernard Valcourt Conservative Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

Correct.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

Right: so that money—

3:40 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

Let me see if I can just correct something. You will see it in the main estimates for the next year, because we shifted the program around, as the minister said, in November. There will be more money going into prevention and planning and exercising—and hopefully less, in future years, on recovery and response.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

But the $33.2 million that's profiled in the supplementary (C)s has nothing to do with emergency management on reserves, not prevention, not mitigation....

3:40 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

No. It's recovery and rebuilding. It's reimbursing the department for money that we put out to help the communities last year.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

So the supplementary (C)s are not dealing with the serious concerns raised in the Auditor General's report around the fact that the $19 million that was profiled was insufficient to deal with emergency preparedness.

3:40 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

That has been responded to, and you will see that in the main estimates for 2014-15.

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

Okay.

With regard to the reprofiling of the estimates, my understanding is that this is not any new money. What's happening is that money that was already allocated in the department is being reallocated.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Bernard Valcourt Conservative Madawaska—Restigouche, NB

That is correct.

3:40 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

For which, sorry...? The $19 million is reallocated—

3:40 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

No, but in the supplementary (C)s, my understanding is that there is no new money. It's being reprofiled within the department.

3:40 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

Michael Wernick

No. It is new money to the department, but we don't need to ask Parliament for a full appropriation of it because we got an advance from Treasury Board.

So we don't need to ask you to vote the appropriation, but it is net new money for that purpose.