Evidence of meeting #29 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jacques Maziade  Legislative Clerk
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Naaman Sugrue
Koren Marriott  Senior Counsel, Aboriginal Law Centre, Aboriginal Affairs Portfolio, Department of Justice
Laurie Sargent  Assistant Deputy Minister, Aboriginal Affairs Portfolio, Department of Justice
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk

12:25 p.m.

Conservative

Jamie Schmale Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

It's just to change the word "include" to "identify" in subclause 6(2).

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

We'll move on, then, once again to Mr. Anandasangaree.

Will you present the Liberal amendment?

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Rouge Park, ON

Yes, Mr. Chair. It's—

12:25 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Jacques Maziade

Mr. Chair, I think we didn't vote on amendment CPC-6, Mr. Schmale's amendment. We still have to vote on Mr. Schmale's amendment first, replacing the word "include" with "identify".

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

I apologize for that.

We have that before us. Once again, is the committee clear on the amendment?

We'll take the recorded vote on amendment CPC-6.

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Go ahead, Mr. Anandasangaree.

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Rouge Park, ON

Mr. Chair, this is a very simple amendment to ensure that the wording correctly identifies racism as well as violence and discrimination against indigenous people. This is an amendment on lines 18 and 19 on page 5.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

My advice on this is that if the amendment is adopted, amendment NDP-3 could not be moved, as they are identical. If the vote is negative, NDP-3 is lost for the same reason.

Also, if amendment LIB-1 is adopted, amendments PV-2 and PV-3 become moot, as they contain the same provisions as LIB-1.

With that subtlety, Mr. Clerk, please record a division on the Liberal amendment.

(Amendment agreed to: yeas 11; nays 0 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

I think we can take that as a pass. The amendment is accepted.

That means, in view of what I said earlier, that we can now move beyond the NDP and PV amendments to—

The Clerk

I believe you are on amendment PV-4, Mr. Chair.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Thank you; it's amendment PV-4.

Ms. Atwin, please go ahead.

Jenica Atwin Green Fredericton, NB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I would like to change the wording of subparagraph 6(2)(a)(i) to have it read as follows:

(i) à lutter contre les injustices, à combattre les préjugés et à éliminer toute forme de violence et de discrimination, notamment la discrimination systémique, auxquels se heurtent les peuples autochtones, ainsi que les personnes âgées, les jeunes et les enfants autochtones, les femmes, les hommes et les personnes de diverses identités de genre ou bispirituelles autochtones et les personnes autochtones handicapées,

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Thank you.

There is no discussion to the recorded division.

I'm sorry; Ms. Gill, did you have your hand up?

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

I have a question for Mrs. Atwin.

If, after the comma, we were to add the words “ainsi que” and all the people listed afterwards, does this mean that they are not indigenous peoples? Without this addition, are they excluded or is it simply a list given as an example?

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Thank you. Go ahead, Ms. Atwin.

Jenica Atwin Green Fredericton, NB

The objective of this amendment is to ensure that the legislation is gender-inclusive by reflecting in both the English and French texts the various gender identities of indigenous people. This can be achieved by not referring by default to the masculine form in the French version of the text.

This is simply to add further context around gender inclusivity. It's in line with the recommendation I mentioned from the Canadian Museum for Human Rights in their review of systemic racism. It's consistent with the vision of this government to promote human rights. It has more of a technical nature.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Thanks, Ms. Atwin.

Seeing no further comment, we turn to you, Mr. Clerk, for a recorded division on PV-4.

(Amendment negatived: nays 11; yeas 0)

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Thank you. The amendment is defeated.

Are we finished, Mr. Schmale?

12:30 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Jacques Maziade

No, I think it's Mr. Schmale's turn now. He wants to move something on subparagraph 6(2)(a)(ii). He will talk about this amendment.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Go ahead, Jamie.

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Jamie Schmale Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

Perfect. Thank you.

I have some amendments I'd like to add here.

One, as the clerk was saying, is striking out the word “and” and going into a subparagraph 6(2)(a)(iii). I'd like to add “measures relating to improvement of Indigenous peoples' economic and social conditions through sustainable development”. That addition continues the amendment proposed in the preamble to introduce economic reconciliation.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Is that the complete amendment?

12:30 p.m.

Conservative

Jamie Schmale Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

That's for that one, yes. There are a few others, but I'll try to make this as quick as possible.

Did you want to vote on this, and then I'll get to the next one?

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Yes.

Jamie Schmale Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

Okay.