Evidence of meeting #29 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jacques Maziade  Legislative Clerk
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Naaman Sugrue
Koren Marriott  Senior Counsel, Aboriginal Law Centre, Aboriginal Affairs Portfolio, Department of Justice
Laurie Sargent  Assistant Deputy Minister, Aboriginal Affairs Portfolio, Department of Justice
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk

11:30 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Yes. Let's clear this up.

April 22nd, 2021 / 11:30 a.m.

Koren Marriott Senior Counsel, Aboriginal Law Centre, Aboriginal Affairs Portfolio, Department of Justice

Do you want—

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Laurie Sargent Assistant Deputy Minister, Aboriginal Affairs Portfolio, Department of Justice

Mr. Chair, I'm not sure if we're being called upon, but I would be happy to pass it to Koren Marriott to speak to that issue of drafting.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Okay.

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Senior Counsel, Aboriginal Law Centre, Aboriginal Affairs Portfolio, Department of Justice

Koren Marriott

The Interpretation Act already provides that singular text is read to include the plural and that plural is read to include the singular. Because the French version is drafted in the singular, most often they try to draft the English “purpose” clauses also in the singular to keep that symmetry, as was discussed.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Could I ask the clerks, then, how we should resolve this amendment?

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Legislative Clerk

Jacques Maziade

Mr. Chair, the amendment is on the floor. It's up to the committee to decide if they want to adopt it or to defeat it.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Ms. Gazan, is there any further comment?

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NDP

Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

I think we could just put this to a vote so that we can move on, Mr. Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

It's to move on.

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NDP

Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

Yes, thank you.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Anyone opposed to the amendment, please raise your hand.

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Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

It's Arnold.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

You're opposed?

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Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

I'm opposed.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Is there any further opposition?

I'm seeing none, so that is carried, and the legislative advice that we have is that it will be translated in the plural as well in the French.

Is that okay, Ms. Gill?

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Legislative Clerk

Jacques Maziade

Mr. Chair, no, the amendment says that it's going to be plural in English and that it's going to—

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Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

It's only in English.

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Legislative Clerk

Jacques Maziade

—stay like this in French. It won't be changed because the amendment only changes the English version.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Okay.

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Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

Mr. Chair, I also raised my hand because I wanted to express my disagreement. I'm voting against the amendment.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

You vote against it.

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Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

Yes.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

We're delaying on somewhat of a subtle matter.

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Legislative Clerk

Jacques Maziade

Mr. Chair, if I may suggest....