Evidence of meeting #29 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jacques Maziade  Legislative Clerk
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Naaman Sugrue
Koren Marriott  Senior Counsel, Aboriginal Law Centre, Aboriginal Affairs Portfolio, Department of Justice
Laurie Sargent  Assistant Deputy Minister, Aboriginal Affairs Portfolio, Department of Justice
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Yes.

1:10 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Jacques Maziade

I think we have to go to Mr. Schmale's amendment on lines 36-37.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Oh, that one; sorry.

1:10 p.m.

Legislative Clerk

Jacques Maziade

We still have still a couple of others—three or four, I think.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Okay. Sorry about that. I have things jotted down all over, and I can't find my notes.

I have Mr. Anandasangaree with his hand up.

Gary Anandasangaree Liberal Scarborough—Rouge Park, ON

It's just to make sure that I'm still on the roster there, Mr. Chair.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Yes.

Go ahead, Mr. Schmale.

1:10 p.m.

Conservative

Jamie Schmale Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

Thank you, Chair.

Before we get to this motion, I do want to point out that we have gone over time by what looks like 14 minutes now. I think we have to decide what we're doing first.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

There's no need for a motion to extend on the discussion that we're having currently. There could be an issue later that would cause the members of the committee to depart, but my understanding of our procedures is that in the case of today we're good to go, to extend the meeting, because we're almost where we need to be.

I have the clerk, and I have Ms. Gazan. Perhaps they wish to speak to this.

The Clerk

I have confirmed that services are available to support this meeting until 2 p.m.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Okay. We can continue until 2 p.m.

Ms. Gazan is next.

Leah Gazan NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

I just want to support that.

I think particularly it would be good of our Conservative colleagues to accommodate our continuing, considering their lack of preparedness for this meeting and how we have accommodated that.

You certainly have my support for extending the meeting.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Jamie, can we carry on? Can you bring your amendments forward now?

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Jamie Schmale Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

I think Ms. Gill has her hand up, Chair.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

I'm sorry. Where are you...?

Oh, there you are. The screen changes and people go.

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

I would just like to add something to Ms. Gazan's comments. Because I don't want to ostracize anyone, I'll simply say that several members from several parties were not really ready. That being the case I would kindly invite you all to be better prepared for the next meetings.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Go ahead, Mr. Schmale.

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Jamie Schmale Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

Thank you.

I would argue that we were ready with these amendments. We just had a different process of doing it. We'd still have to go line by line on each of these anyway. Had we gone line by line at the beginning, we'd be done by now.

At any rate, at line 37 on page 2, we would like to add a comma after “self-government” and then add “by virtue of which Indigenous peoples freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development”.

This amendment echoes the first amendment on economic reconciliation that I moved earlier, using language from the UN declaration itself.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

How many do we have coming forward now, Jamie?

Jamie Schmale Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

After this, it looks like there are three more, plus a minor one that's just a wording change. There are three of substance and then a wording change, so there are four more to come.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Is the text available for the clerks?

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Jamie Schmale Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

Yes. They should have it already.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Okay.

We have heard the first one, which is at line 37.

Mr. Clerk, please go ahead with recorded division for CPC-14.

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4)

Jamie, go ahead with the next one.

1:15 p.m.

Conservative

Jamie Schmale Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

Perfect.

On page 3, we're looking at adding, at line 3, after “Whereas the Government of Canada acknowledges”, “and respects that provincial, territorial and municipal governments each have jurisdiction and the ability to establish their own approaches to the Declaration by taking various measures at their discretion that fall within their authority, and the Government of Canada will respect these various approaches to the Declaration in formulating its own action plan;”.

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Thank you.

The clerks are good with the text.

Let's go to a recorded division, Mr. Clerk, on CPC-15.

(Amendment negatived: nays 7; yeas 4 )

Go ahead, Jamie.