Evidence of meeting #6 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was communities.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Naaman Sugrue
Valerie Gideon  Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Indigenous Services
Daniel Quan-Watson  Deputy Minister, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs

7:40 p.m.

Saint Boniface—Saint Vital Manitoba

Liberal

Dan Vandal LiberalMinister of Northern Affairs

Thank you so much, Mr. Chairperson.

The supplementary estimates also reflect $10.9 million of re-profiled funding for phase III of the federal contaminated sites action plan. It is the government's priority to protect the health and environment—

Tansi, bonjour, and greetings.

I want to begin by acknowledging that I am speaking to you from my office here in Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, Treaty No. 1 territory, as well as the homeland of the Métis nation.

I am pleased to appear before this committee today to discuss the important work the department is currently doing in the north and in the Arctic and to answer your questions on supplementary estimates (B).

We also recognize that this is a particularly difficult time for many regions across Canada as we all continue to work together to curb the spread of COVID-19 and keep people healthy and safe across our country.

These estimates reflect our government's commitment to creating greater economic growth and a higher quality of life in the north and the Arctic. I am confident that these estimates demonstrate our government's plan to continue working towards renewing the relationship between Canada and indigenous nations, tackling the impacts of climate change, promoting economic development and creating jobs for those living in the north and the Arctic.

The 2020-21 supplementary estimates (B) reflect a net increase of approximately $13.4 million in re-profiled funding for the Department of Northern Affairs. This funding will primarily support the federal contaminated sites action plan, the Canadian High Arctic Research Station project and research and higher education in Canada's north.

Access to high-quality education and research for everyone is critical to not only individual success but to local economies and to our country. Canada's Arctic and northern residents, especially indigenous people, have not had access to the same services, the same opportunities and the same standard of living as those in the rest of Canada. That's why our government is making substantial investments and working in partnership with northerners to develop long-term opportunities while building healthier communities, respecting the rights and interests of indigenous nations and supporting a sustainable and dynamic economy.

To support this priority, our government has invested $1 million to establish a task force on post-secondary education in the north and the Arctic. The task force's mandate commits to seeking the perspective of northerners. It will engage indigenous partners across the Arctic and the north, including young people, other governments, post-secondary institutions, and leaders, on how the federal government can improve post-secondary educational opportunities. We need to close the gaps that exist in education in the north.

In addition, the supplementary estimates (B) include re-profiled funding for the Canadian High Arctic Research Station project that totals $2.4 million. Based out of Cambridge Bay, Nunavut, the Canadian High Arctic Research Station will become the headquarters of Polar Knowledge Canada, which is responsible for advancing Canada's knowledge of the Arctic and strengthening Canadian leadership in polar science and technology.

The re-profiled funding requested through these supplementary estimates is required for the construction and other anticipated expenses to close out the construction contract, including those related to the Inuit benefits agreement and the extension of the duration of the contract. The outcome of the investments in post-secondary education and in the Canadian High Arctic Research Station project will undoubtedly help northerners close the gaps in education outcomes, provide ongoing learning and skills development opportunities, advance our nation's knowledge of the Arctic and strengthen Canadian leadership in polar science and technology.

7:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

We're losing you, Minister.

7:45 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Vandal Liberal Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, MB

Can you hear me?

7:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Now we can hear you.

7:45 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Vandal Liberal Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, MB

It is the government's priority to protect the health and environment of Canadians by minimizing threats of pollution. My department is also committed to managing contaminated sites in a cost-effective and consistent manner to reduce and eliminate, where possible, risks to human and environmental health and the liability associated with contaminated sites.

COVID-19 continues to affect our daily lives, and northerners should not have to worry about putting food on their table or ensuring continued supply of essential items. Earlier this year, our government provided additional investments to nutrition north Canada, to increase the federal subsidy rate in all eligible communities.

By providing additional subsidies on a broad range of items and helping with the costs associated with hunting and harvesting, residents of isolated communities will be better able to afford to feed and protect themselves and their families. We've also provided supports to maintain critical air supply routes, as well as funding for testing and contact tracing, sick leave, income supports for individuals, and support for businesses.

Thank you, and I would be pleased to answer any questions you have.

7:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Thank you very much, Mr. Vandal.

I have a couple of things to note. First, I had a little bit of a freeze on my end. Vice-chair McLeod, be ready at any time, such as you were at our last meeting.

Second, we will be voting on the supplementary estimates following the rounds of questioning. Cathy McLeod, you are up first for six minutes. Please go ahead.

7:45 p.m.

Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

Thank you, ministers, for joining us here tonight. Of course, it's always a very important discussion.

I have a number of questions, but there's something that came to my attention this morning. I want to follow up on this particular issue.

As we know, as we have these settlements, as we resolve these long-term injustices, there are other people who are impacted. It's often third parties that are impacted by the settlements.

I know that my colleague from Cariboo—Prince George has worked through your office, and in August was promised a phone call and a conversation with a number of tourist operators who, in many cases, have put their life savings into their businesses. They have not had that call.

Today one of them got a letter from the Xeni Gwet'in indicating that they will not continue with the permit he has to run his business, so essentially his business is over. It's a huge issue.

Again, I know that we have to solve these issues, the long-standing injustices, but when we create some new injustices, I don't think we do. We create more problems.

Would the minister commit today not only to following through with that phone call that I understand her staff committed to, but also to working with the province to see if we can ease the transition for the people who have been impacted by a significant decision?

7:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Be brief, please, minister, because I hope we'll get back to the supplementaries before us. Go ahead.

7:50 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

Absolutely. Cathy, I have spoken to your colleague on a number of occasions. Again, it is really important that we work with the Province of British Columbia on all of the issues with respect to lands. I commit to seeing what I can do to really promote the kind of understanding that comes with those leases and the title rights.

7:50 p.m.

Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

In terms of specific land claims, I do acknowledge it's a bit of a challenge. We see the estimates and the moving of money, and I understand that. Then I go to your departmental reviews, and they talk about the 74.5% that have been resolved, which sounds very impressive. Then I follow this path to different documents, and I end up with the fact that this many have been solved, but there are actually many out there that have not even been accepted for discussion yet.

You have put a numerator and a denominator of 75% resolution of specific land claims. Could you describe the numerator and the denominator, because it certainly does not align with all the other documents?

7:50 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

It's really important, Cathy, in the work we are doing with the AFN now, to change the specific claims process. It has been completely frustrating. In the past, people would wait three years to find out that even going to a table was being denied. We are now trying to work together in a different way, with joint research, and a way of moving forward to settle these claims—

7:50 p.m.

Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

I appreciate—

7:50 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

If harm was done, then we want to work together on that. There are many claims. Some of them are clumped, Cathy, and that's good, like the—

7:50 p.m.

Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

No, but—

7:50 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

—agricultural claims—

7:50 p.m.

Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

Minister, when your department claims that they have solved 75% of the specific land claims, which is in your 2018-19 departmental review, I think it's reasonable to ask what the numerator is and what the denominator is.

7:50 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

Sure. I think that—

7:50 p.m.

Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

There are changes that need to be made.

7:50 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

Absolutely, and what we are trying to do is settle those claims so they don't have to go to the tribunal. That means we have to listen to one another and do the research together.

7:50 p.m.

Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

Thank you.

I guess if we look at departmental reports, then it really.... It sounds like you recognize there is a flawed process that you're trying to fix, but to claim that you're 75% successful in the work you're trying to do is, I think, a bit of a challenge.

I'll move to my next question.

7:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

You have one minute. Go ahead.

7:50 p.m.

Conservative

Cathy McLeod Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

This aligns with my first question, which talked about other impacted parties.

With the Wet'suwet'en, you went to the territory and you met with the hereditary chiefs. Of course, it would be like going to the Senate and talking to the Senate about the resolution of an issue without bothering to talk to the House of Commons.

How can you justify not having a conversation with those elected chiefs? Can you tell this committee where that conversation is at? I understand that in spite of COVID, there are still some significant challenges with the Wet'suwet'en, the Coastal GasLink and what's going to happen next.

7:55 p.m.

Liberal

Carolyn Bennett Liberal Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

As you know, Cathy, the Supreme Court decision in Delgamuukw was with the hereditary leadership. That is where we needed to go to resolve the issue. There is no question—

7:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Minister, I'm sorry; I'm going to have to interrupt. We're running out of time. We have an 8:30 cold deadline.

Perhaps you could communicate the rest of the answer with Ms. McLeod. We're trying to get our full round of questioning in, and we're beyond six minutes now. I'm sorry for that.

I'll move over to Jaime Battiste for six minutes.

Go ahead.

November 19th, 2020 / 7:55 p.m.

Liberal

Jaime Battiste Liberal Sydney—Victoria, NS

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Minister, thank you for appearing before us. I agree with you that accelerating self-determination is the best way to support indigenous communities and people. From education and health outcomes to economic development, we know that indigenous communities achieve the best results when they assert their jurisdiction and chart their own paths on these critical issues.

Can you expand on the $28.6 million requested through these estimates for recognition of indigenous rights and self-determination tables? Also, how will this funding help support communities in assuming greater control of their own affairs and designing and managing the programs in a way that they know will work in their communities for their people?