Evidence of meeting #13 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was build.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Vanessa Davies
Clio Straram  Head, Indigenous Banking, BMO Financial Group
Tracy Antoine  Vice-President, Commercial Financial Services, Indigenous Markets, British Columbia Region, Royal Bank of Canada
Naiomi Metallic  Assistant Professor, Chancellor's Chair in Aboriginal Law and Policy, Schulich School of Law, Dalhousie University, As an Individual
Garry Bailey  President, Northwest Territory Métis Nation
Sarah Silva  Chief Executive Officer, Hiyám Housing Society, Squamish Nation

4:15 p.m.

The Clerk

Mr. Chair, if I could, I'll explain. Mr. Bailey could not receive a House of Commons headset because he's in the Northwest Territories and we couldn't ship one to him in time. He purchased one to the best of his ability and unfortunately it's insufficient. We knew this and he did not pass his technical test, so we're just doing the best we can. If the interpreters are unable to interpret, perhaps we'll have to end his testimony.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Marc Garneau

Thank you, Madam Clerk.

Mr. Bailey, unfortunately, if the interpreters can't translate, we can't provide service in both official languages, which is a problem. I don't know if at your end there's anything you might be able to do to make your voice clearer, but if not, I'm afraid we'll have to stop your testimony. We'll see what we can do to perhaps bring you back on another occasion. Perhaps you can try something now and if it doesn't work we'll do it another time.

4:20 p.m.

President, Northwest Territory Métis Nation

Garry Bailey

Okay. Can you hear me now? Is it a bit better? I don't know. I did the sound check.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

Pardon me, Mr. Chair.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Marc Garneau

Yes.

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

I'm speaking up again, simply in the interest of fairness. I would also like to draft motions later on to ensure that interpreters are well taken care of and to save people the frustration of being unable to present their testimony.

It's really hard to send a headset to my home because it's so far away. In the first round, we refused to hear from a witness for much the same reason.

I'd like people to be able to testify using the proper devices for the sake of fairness, but also out of respect for the witnesses themselves and for the committee as a whole.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Marc Garneau

Thank you, Mrs. Gill. We will do what we can in that regard.

Mr. Bailey, I'm terribly sorry, but we're going to have to end your testimony. We will do our very best to get you back and to get you a proper headset so that you can provide testimony at a future date. I'm terribly sorry, but we'll have to stop at this point.

4:20 p.m.

President, Northwest Territory Métis Nation

Garry Bailey

In the meantime, I did email all my speaking notes, so hopefully you can just take my speaking notes and go with that. It's unfortunate that that's the way this is going. It seemed to be fine earlier when we did a test.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Marc Garneau

That's understood, and as I said, we will try to get you back. Thank you for providing your speaking notes, and we're sorry that we couldn't carry on. It is important to have the interpretation.

With that, Ms. Sarah Silva, we're passing it to you—

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Michael McLeod Liberal Northwest Territories, NT

Mr. Chairman.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Marc Garneau

Yes, sir.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Michael McLeod Liberal Northwest Territories, NT

Mr. Chairman, on a point of order, it's unfortunate that we can't move forward with Mr. Bailey's presentation. It points to the fact that we don't have any opportunities. There's no chance you're going to mail a headset to anybody in the Northwest Territories unless you're going to give us two to three weeks' advance notice. That really puts us at a disadvantage if it comes down to bringing people to make presentations. We have to find a better way. I'm wasting my time here if I can't bring my witnesses in to present on a very important matter. We have the second-highest core need in the country, and we can't get a person who is really deeply affected by it as a leader to present. There has to be a solution. It's not the first time, but it affects us more in the north than in any other part of this country.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Marc Garneau

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. I think you make an extremely important point.

It's clear that if we're going to provide headsets to some of the remote communities, we have to schedule the appearance of people living in those remote communities at a later date to allow sufficient time to get the headsets to them.

As I said, we will try to get Mr. Bailey back, because I know that he's an important witness. We'll do the same thing, of course, for Mr. Quesnel, who was not able to speak in the first session.

With that, I'd like to proceed.

Ms. Silva, if you're ready, you have the microphone for five minutes.

April 5th, 2022 / 4:20 p.m.

Sarah Silva Chief Executive Officer, Hiyám Housing Society, Squamish Nation

Ta néwyap. Hello. My name is Sarah Silva. I am a Squamish Nation member and the CEO of Hiyam Housing Society.

Hiyam Housing Society is an incorporated non-profit society that was created a few years ago by the Squamish Nation to develop and manage culturally appropriate and affordable housing within our community. The Squamish Nation is one of the largest first nations in B.C. We have approximately 4,000 members, most whom live off reserve. We have, of course, like most first nations, a lot of issues around affordability and need. Our current wait-list right now is approximately 30 years' long, with 1,000 people.

I'll speak a little bit about the unaffordability in our region. North Vancouver, Squamish, B.C., and Vancouver are some of the most expensive cities in the world. We're facing a lot of really unaffordable rents that don't align with our income levels. What's currently happening is that a lot of our community members are moving really far away into rural areas, not within our actual communities and reserves. They're paying most of their income on shelter. There's not a lot left over for actual food, education and even heat a lot of the time. That's been a rising issue that we're trying to address by bringing everybody home within a generation.

Another issue, of course, is the poor living conditions in overcrowded homes on and off reserve. Of course, we have the overcrowded situation happening on reserve. We have many different generations living under one roof. What's happening is that a lot of the younger generation don't essentially have another home to move into. There's nothing around that's affordable, so they're continuing to live within the home. We're also seeing not enough funding for renovations and just nowhere to move. A lot of elders are living in condemned homes and mouldy homes, unfortunately, without anywhere to go.

Along with, of course, a lot of the same poor living conditions and overcrowded situations on reserve, we're also facing a lot of discrimination and poor living conditions off reserve as well. We're getting the lower end of the stock, essentially. A lot of people are applying to live in rental units, and we're facing a lot of discrimination. A lot of the time when we get into these units, they're illegal units and they're also mouldy. We don't necessarily have a place to argue for our rights in those landlord situations.

It's been an ongoing issue that we're trying to resolve by creating Hiyam Housing. Essentially, we're an incorporated non-profit, but we're also a housing authority, which is a best practice that's used by a lot of other first nations, in the sense that we can separate housing operations and governance from our leadership and from our council. It has been working, so we have been managing. We have our own governance. We do our own strategic planning, and we're going out for a lot more funding.

We have gotten a lot of funding in the last couple of years. We'll be building three new developments that we're really excited about. We're going to be breaking ground in the next couple of months. That's going to help, but really, the need is great, so it will just help meet a little bit of the need that we have within our community.

We've launched some programs that within the last few years have really helped us. With the market rent supplement program, we offer our residents who are living off reserve a market rent supplement to essentially subsidize their rents. We do have a home ownership program that we launched as well, but we need to have programs in place to allow us to be able to be in a position to save for a down payment. We had huge interest for the market rent supplement. We had about 150. We had about two people for the home ownership.

I think that speaks to the real need in our community. Of course we want to get there and have those programs and the housing in place to get there, but we're dealing with really core need and the need for supportive housing and just regular rent geared to housing as well.

To speak a little bit about the increased poverty levels as well, what we're noticing, of course, is that with the rising cost of housing, it's creating a real income divide between our community and the outside community, but also internally in our community. Unfortunately, without any support, our community hasn't been able to afford a lot of the rents, as I said before.

They're just being pushed further and further away from the community supports that we have.

Another issue that we're noticing as well, as part of our mandate to bring everybody home in a generation, is that we are perpetuating negative colonial impacts through this housing crisis for our community members, including myself.

I was raised in social housing. My mom was Squamish and she raised four children on her own. We moved into social housing very far away from our community. It was the only thing we could afford. We didn't have access to our own school, to our longhouse, to our elders, to our language, to our way of life or to our sports teams and all of that stuff. We were very isolated, and we didn't get a lot of support.

The idea is to really bring our community back, bring back those supports, bring back our way of life and build that up. What's happening without a lot of that housing is that these negative impacts are really getting worse.

Yes, another item is—

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Marc Garneau

Perhaps I could ask you to wrap it up, Ms. Silva.

4:30 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Hiyám Housing Society, Squamish Nation

Sarah Silva

Oh, okay, absolutely. I was just going to give some recommendations. We really need housing to be prioritized. There are a lot of housing barriers that exist under the Indian Act. I hope that those can be reviewed and that we can create more pathways to housing.

Of course, a lot of the housing programs that are coming out don't really reflect the needs of the community. We need more housing programs that reflect the needs of our community, to have more funding for support and infrastructure. Infrastructure, I should say, is a huge barrier for us. In our urban settings it has been built out, so there's not a lot of room, and in our rural settings there's no infrastructure, so it's definitely a huge barrier for us.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Marc Garneau

Thank you, Ms. Silva.

We'll now proceed with one round of questions.

We'll start with Mr. Shields for six minutes.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Martin Shields Conservative Bow River, AB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you to the witnesses today. It's very much appreciated, a very different approach and very different circumstances.

To Ms. Silva, I think you were just getting to recommendations. I'll give you a little more time if you succinctly can give us the recommendations you had there at the end.

4:30 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Hiyám Housing Society, Squamish Nation

Sarah Silva

I was talking a little bit about infrastructure. We have received some funding to build some housing on reserve, but a lot of that funding doesn't come with infrastructure funding for water services, sewers and things like that. It would be great to have access to more funding to develop our reserves and to be able to do housing. Also, for the home ownership program that we're running, it's a great program, but infrastructure is a piece that's not covered a lot of the time in the home loan program because it's so unaffordable and unattainable to our community. It would be nice to see more programs that address infrastructure.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Martin Shields Conservative Bow River, AB

Thank you. Those are two great recommendations.

Is the land base for your nation where you're attempting to build this new housing?

4:30 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Hiyám Housing Society, Squamish Nation

Sarah Silva

That's right. It's located in North Vancouver on our Capilano reserve in our X̱wemelch'stn village.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Martin Shields Conservative Bow River, AB

You have enough land base in that area to develop quite a bit more housing then.

4:30 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Hiyám Housing Society, Squamish Nation

Sarah Silva

We're a fairly large nation. We have reserves in North Vancouver, but those are fairly built out. We don't have a lot of land there, but we do have more land in more rural settings such as Squamish. However, we don't have infrastructure in Squamish to develop housing.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Martin Shields Conservative Bow River, AB

Right, it's catch-22. Is there any possibility of land trading in the sense of leasing out high-value land in North Vancouver to expand your base in Squamish?

4:30 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Hiyám Housing Society, Squamish Nation

Sarah Silva

It may be a possibility. Amazingly, we have a lot of support, and there are a lot of non-profits that are coming to us and offering land back as a step towards reconciliation. That's been really amazing. The rent supplement program that we have actually was a donation we received.

It would be amazing to see more companies and individuals step up with more donations in the future.