Evidence of meeting #134 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 44th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Nelson Barbosa  Director General, Community Infrastructure Branch, Department of Indigenous Services
Rebecca Blake  Acting Director, Legislation, Engagement and Regulations, Department of Indigenous Services
Douglas Fairbairn  Senior Counsel, Legal Services, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs and Department of Indigenous Services, Department of Justice
Michelle Legault  Legislative Clerk

7:55 p.m.

Senior Counsel, Legal Services, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs and Department of Indigenous Services, Department of Justice

Douglas Fairbairn

I would say it does not lower the duty or the standards, and the fiduciary duty varies on the subject in question as well, so there's not an overarching fiduciary duty to first nations. However, certainly in this context, “best efforts” is intended to convey the fact that the government will take every step possible to achieve a result and to achieve an objective. To your question, this is a very high standard and signifies the government's commitment to ensuring safe drinking water.

Lori Idlout NDP Nunavut, NU

Are there other examples of contract law cases being used to set out a minister's obligations to first nations?

7:55 p.m.

Senior Counsel, Legal Services, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs and Department of Indigenous Services, Department of Justice

Douglas Fairbairn

There are a number of federal statutes that use the term “best efforts”, and we can provide those to you, but “best efforts” is not defined in federal law, so it's necessary to go to case law to get an idea about what “best efforts” means. The case that was provided was one example of the definition, and it's a fairly good example. It's a fairly standard example of what “best efforts” means.

Lori Idlout NDP Nunavut, NU

Are those other pieces of federal legislation ones that are impacting first nations?

7:55 p.m.

Senior Counsel, Legal Services, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs and Department of Indigenous Services, Department of Justice

Douglas Fairbairn

No, they are not.

Lori Idlout NDP Nunavut, NU

At this point, I'm still not convinced that “best efforts” is the best language that we need to pass in Bill C-61, not when best efforts can still result in first nations children living in conditions with boil water advisories or sores on their skins. If “best efforts” is introduced this way, the way I interpret the honour of the Crown or try to think about how it's supposed to be implemented.... Fiduciary duty should not ever be diminished based on interpretation of contract law, and fiduciary duty should have been used in ensuring that Bill C-61 in the first place should not have fallen below UNDRIP standards, which we have been discussing all this time.

I thank the committee and the MPs for helping ensure that UNDRIP standards are much better reflected in Bill C-61, but I do caution the parties with a red flag about “best efforts” in this legislation and how it's allowing the government to pretend that it doesn't have the resources...that it has obligations to meet because of its fiduciary duty, and downgrading that to “best efforts”.

First nations, as I have repeatedly said, had authority over water. It was stolen from them, and for this Liberal government to respond with “best efforts” because of what contract law states is still a huge disrespect to first nations who will be impacted by this.

Qujannamiik.

8 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Patrick Weiler

Thank you very much, Ms. Idlout.

At this point, we're at the short title.

Shall the short title carry?

Some hon. members

Agreed.

8 p.m.

Liberal

Jaime Battiste Liberal Sydney—Victoria, NS

On division.

8 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Patrick Weiler

That is carried on division, which takes us to the preamble. The first one that we get to is PV-10, but before we get to that, Mr. Morrice had withdrawn this one, so we need to make sure there's no.... We need unanimous consent for it to be withdrawn.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

8 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Patrick Weiler

(Amendment withdrawn)

8 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Patrick Weiler

That brings us to BQ‑35.

Right now we're at BQ-35, which is in the preamble.

Mr. Lemire, you have the floor to present amendment BQ‑35.

Sébastien Lemire Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I have a lot to say. Just kidding.

The purpose of amendment BQ‑35 is essentially to say that water is not like any other commodity.

Specifically, the amendment proposes that Bill C‑61, in the preamble, be amended by adding after line 12 on page 1 the following:

Whereas water is not like any other commodity but a part of our heritage that must be protected, defended and treated as such, particularly in response to pressures from sectors such as agriculture, industry, tourism, transportation and energy;

8 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Patrick Weiler

Thank you, Mr. Lemire.

Amendment BQ‑35 has been moved.

Is there any debate on BQ-35?

(Amendment negatived: nays 9; yeas 2)

8 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Patrick Weiler

BQ-35 is defeated, and that takes us to BQ-36.

I will again give the floor to Mr. Lemire to that he can present amendment BQ‑36.

Sébastien Lemire Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

In that spirit, the amendment specifies the following:

Whereas Parliament recognizes that broad, concurrent action by all levels of government to protect First Nation waters from pollution, including that caused by certain persistent, toxic and bioaccumulative substances, is urgently required;

The proposed amendment is based on a lot of the testimony we heard.

8 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Patrick Weiler

Thank you, Mr. Lemire.

Amendment BQ‑36 has been moved.

I'll open it to debate. Is there any debate on BQ-36?

Not seeing any debate, shall BQ-36 carry?

(Amendment agreed to on division)

That takes us to NDP-80, and with that I'll turn the floor over to Ms. Idlout.

Lori Idlout NDP Nunavut, NU

Qujannamiik.

NDP-80 is an amendment that was submitted by quite a few first nations. It seeks to add UNDRIP articles to include articles 3, 4, 18, 19, 22, 28 and 29, paragraph 2 of article 32 and paragraph 1 of article 37.

Qujannamiik.

Jaime Battiste Liberal Sydney—Victoria, NS

Agreed.

The Chair Liberal Patrick Weiler

Thank you very much, Ms. Idlout.

NDP-80 is moved.

Is there any debate on NDP-80?

(Amendment agreed to on division [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall the preamble as amended carry?

Some hon. members

Agreed.

An hon. member

On division.

The Chair Liberal Patrick Weiler

Shall the title carry?

Some hon. members

Agreed.