Gary Vivian at the Indigenous and Northern Affairs Committee

I truly believe that the only way you can effectively introduce conservation is to make sure that communities understand the benefits that could be removed if you alienate a piece of land. That's what I'm saying about proper MERAs. You need proper mineral, energy and resource assessments on land before you freeze it in perpetuity, and communities need to understand what benefits they might get from that.

I would also say that mining is not the same as—