There's a long-standing history between indigenous people and the RCMP or policing as agents of the Crown and the state. It's a very fractured relationship. Kwanlin Dün is an interesting case example. It's the longest-standing program that we were involved in. It's probably why we keep talking about it. They also commissioned an evaluation report that I would encourage you to read. It's not ours to share, but I believe they would be happy to talk about the success of that program.
One of the challenges was that even in a well-policed and well-resourced area, people were not contacting the police. People were not accessing those justice services. There was a fundamental fear around what would happen when the RCMP would show up. The beauty of this intermediary program....
Again, it's very different in every community. We have two elders in Teslin who are doing this work. They work as a bridge between formal justice and the community as advocates and guides and witnesses to how they're treated, to what happens after and to the aftercare that wraps around them. I think it's—