On the impact of defence and multiplier effects, if you look at the impact of the Second World War on the Canadian economy, you will see that we entered the Second World War not as a manufacturing nation and we emerged from that war—I'm not asking for war—as a manufacturing country. The multiplier effects are high. Making weapons is an investment in non-productive assets, but the immediate multiplier effects are high.
With respect to your second point, I align myself with Prime Minister Mark Carney's bid to become part of a middle power group that protects the rules-based international order. We need to find a so-called coalition of the willing to be able to do this, because Canada thrives when there are rules in this world. We're less than 1% of the world's population and less than 2% of the world economy. We need rules more than anything to be able to deal in this world. Other countries in the global south are also asking for this, as well as in Europe, Australia, Oceania and the United Kingdom. There are a lot of potential allies out there for this.