Even here, there are some examples of factories that are working with lights-out production. Overall, for the business that's employing the people and for all of the people who are being employed to maintain technology, to program technology and to develop the new software for this technology, even in China, the overall rate of employment has increased.
Today, it's not just a question of competitiveness and productivity. We also have to look at how we expand production at a time when we really don't have many skilled people coming into the manufacturing sector, to take advantage of the new opportunities in procurement, infrastructure and defence, for example. We really do need to look at how AI can be implemented, not only to expand production and production capacity but to do so in a way that is going to lead to the development of new products, new product lines and new processes that are going to make sure Canadian manufacturers are in an internationally competitive position.