What I can say to you about programs stalling is that they get launched, but they don't get firm dates to be released to start the work. The problem is that, really, for the last two, three or four years, especially in the ICE to EV situation and with the advent of tariffs, a lot of programs have been put on hold because budgets change and there's uncertainty. Vital things come out. It's really hard to quantify or measure it. I don't have those statistics.
On Monday, our executive director Nicole was here. I am a volunteer board member with CAMM—I just wanted to mention that. I've been on the board for 42 years. I used to be a chair. We deal with all the tool and mould shops in North America, including many in Windsor.
As I said, this unstable situation sometimes does cause programs to be cancelled. You have probably read about the latest one, which was the Honda EV program, which we anticipated was happening, but every one of our shops were impacted. It really had nothing to do with the tariffs. It was just the direction of the auto industry, and that caused a little hiccup.
Most of the major companies, now that they have affirmed we are going back to ICE-powered cars and vehicles, are starting to release a lot of programs, and they want to get them out there as soon as possible, but as Ryan mentioned to you, we are building into 2027, 2028 and 2029. We're not building current products.
Hopefully that helps answer some of the question.