Evidence of meeting #39 for Industry and Technology in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was investments.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Mélanie Joly  Minister of Industry
Schaan  Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

5:20 p.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Mark Schaan

Thank you for the question.

The operations of the universal broadband fund, the primary program through which the Department of Innovation, Science and Economic Development pursues the government's connectivity goals.... It should be noted at the outset that this is one program. There are a number of other elements. The CRTC has its own programming related to building out infrastructure capacity, as do our colleagues at Indigenous Services Canada.

The UBF is premised on a fairly significant continuous mapping of the overall connectivity rate in Canada, including the number of households that have access to what we consider to be high-speed Internet—or 50/10, as we define it in the standard, in terms of upload and download speeds. We are routinely assessing this. When we do an intake of new projects with each province, we are able to assess the overall current baseline rate. As the project moves along, the degree to which it will allow us to get to households that, right now, are potentially not within our standard for high-speed Internet....

Our current assessment continues to be that we are on track and that our investments are continuing to provide that very meaningful and important connectivity to a whole host of communities. It will come through a diversity of approaches. In a number of these places, we need to be very sensitive to the notion of what's going to work in terms of connectivity. That's why we take a regional, place-based approach to ensuring that we have the projects in place so all Canadian households can have access to high-speed Internet by 2030.

Doly Begum Liberal Scarborough Southwest, ON

Thank you for that.

Would you be able to elaborate on how many additional households, businesses and communities the department expects to connect to broadband Internet, in terms of the funding in the estimates?

5:20 p.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Mark Schaan

I would be happy to come back to the committee with our current statistics on the performance of the universal broadband fund—including projects that have recently come online and those in the pipeline—in order to ensure that we are meeting our goal as we live out that program's important contributions.

Doly Begum Liberal Scarborough Southwest, ON

That's great.

Thank you so much, Mr. Chair.

The Chair Liberal Ben Carr

You can ask a quick one if you like, Madame O'Rourke.

Dominique O'Rourke Liberal Guelph, ON

I will, through you, Chair, to Mr. Schaan.

This committee studied AI. We looked at a number of investments in AI.

I'm wondering how quickly those investments are rolling out, and what the plan is to assess the return on investment for those AI investments.

5:25 p.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Mark Schaan

I recognize that time is tight.

Investments have been made through the pan-Canadian AI strategy, particularly budget 2024 investments of $2 billion for AI infrastructure and to support commercialization and adoption. The vast majority of those are starting to crystallize or are already out. I'm happy to come back to ensure that we outline the benefits being accrued.

For instance, we've had initial investments through our AI compute access fund. We've had some deals through our AI compute challenge program. There are requests for proposals for our AI sovereign compute infrastructure program and the supercomputer that will drive AI capacity for research and as a test bed for industry. That RFP closed on June 1. We are very excited to advance that process.

Hopefully, you'll see more announcements forthcoming as we finalize the AI strategy for the country.

Dominique O'Rourke Liberal Guelph, ON

That's fantastic. Thanks.

The Chair Liberal Ben Carr

Thank you, Ms. O'Rourke.

Mr. Ste‑Marie, because you sincerely apologized for going over your time in the last round, I'm going to give you 30 seconds for one last question.

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette—Manawan, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I will be eternally grateful.

To replace the fleet of CP‑140 Aurora aircraft, the government chose Boeing over Bombardier. Last week, we learned that Boeing was going to deliver its aircraft three years later than anticipated.

Is it too late to buy Canadian planes?

5:25 p.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Mark Schaan

The decision to purchase an aircraft really falls to our colleagues at the Department of National Defence. That's a question that should really be put to the people at the Department of National Defence.

The Chair Liberal Ben Carr

Thank you.

Thank you very much, Madam Huot, Mr. Schaan, Madam Tanton and Mr. Chhabra, for being here. We very much appreciate your testimony and insight. I wish all of you a wonderful rest of your day. You are permitted to go.

Colleagues, we have a few matters to discuss very briefly.

We have a $500 budget that we need to approve just for this extra meeting.

Seeing no opposition, I'm going to say that's approved.

We have to pass a motion for an informal meeting that we have coming up on Thursday.

Unfortunately, I have to return to Winnipeg to attend a funeral service, so Madam Dancho will be in the chair on Thursday. We have a delegation that features the state minister, Dr. Florian Herrmann, who's the head of the Bavarian State Chancellery. Members from the Standing Committee on National Defence will be joining us. We have a regular meeting that will start at 11 o'clock. We just need agreement that everybody is okay with this informal meeting. I suspect it's okay

Some hon. members

Agreed.

The Chair Liberal Ben Carr

Excellent.

The most important matter of business is in regard to the committee passing various line items of the main estimates, which we were just engaging with officials on. It's my responsibility as chair to report back to the House on behalf of the committee in relation to the estimates. There are quite a few.

I have a suggestion on the easiest way for us to proceed. I did have conversations with the representatives from each political party around the table earlier, so I hope that we can move forward in this way. It's simply to grant unanimous consent for the passage of all line items related to the main estimates that flow through this committee. Should I not receive unanimous consent, I will go through all of them individually if it is the will of the committee, but I am going to just look to seek unanimous consent.

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette—Manawan, QC

Shall the votes carry on division?

The Chair Liberal Ben Carr

Yes, if you wish. Adopting on division is always an option, even for you, Mr. Ste‑Marie.

ATLANTIC CANADA OPPORTUNITIES AGENCY

Vote 1—Operating expenditures..........$70,491,619

Vote 5—Grants and contributions..........$308,687,375

(Votes 1 and 5 agreed to on division)

CANADIAN NORTHERN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGENCY

Vote 1—Operating expenditures..........$31,547,131

Vote 5—Grants and contributions..........$99,307,483

(Votes 1 and 5 agreed to on division)

CANADIAN SPACE AGENCY

Vote 1—Operating expenditures..........$312,870,750

Vote 5—Capital expenditures..........$520,371,623

Vote 10—Grants and contributions..........$60,981,000

(Votes 1, 5 and 10 agreed to on division)

CANADIAN TOURISM COMMISSION

Vote 1—Payments to the Commission..........$93,365,772

(Vote 1 agreed to on division)

COPYRIGHT BOARD

Vote 1—Program expenditures..........$4,251,677

(Vote 1 agreed to on division)

DEPARTMENT OF INDUSTRY

Vote 1—Operating expenditures..........$666,379,648

Vote 5—Capital expenditures..........$73,437,460

Vote 10—Grants and contributions..........$7,923,243,891

Vote L15—Payments under subsection 14(2) of the Department of Industry Act..........$300,000

Vote L20—Loans under paragraph 14(1)(a) of the Department of Industry Act..........$500,000

(Votes 1, 5, 10, L15 and L20 agreed to on division)

DEPARTMENT OF WESTERN ECONOMIC DIVERSIFICATION

Vote 1—Operating expenditures..........$47,589,003

Vote 5—Grants and contributions..........$280,723,712

(Votes 1 and 5 agreed to on division)

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGENCY OF CANADA FOR THE REGIONS OF QUEBEC

Vote 1—Operating expenditures..........$48,644,666

Vote 5—Grants and contributions..........$360,094,322

(Votes 1 and 5 agreed to on division)

FEDERAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGENCY FOR NORTHERN ONTARIO

Vote 1—Operating expenditures..........$16,213,940

Vote 5—Grants and contributions..........$65,156,604

(Votes 1 and 5 agreed to on division)

FEDERAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGENCY FOR SOUTHERN ONTARIO

Vote 1—Operating expenditures..........$37,137,445

Vote 5—Grants and contributions..........$347,638,258

(Votes 1 and 5 agreed to on division)

NATIONAL RESEARCH COUNCIL OF CANADA

Vote 1—Operating expenditures..........$595,203,032

Vote 5—Capital expenditures..........$317,578,865

Vote 10—Grants and contributions..........$736,369,902

(Votes 1, 5 and 10 agreed to on division)

NATURAL SCIENCES AND ENGINEERING RESEARCH COUNCIL

Vote 1—Operating expenditures..........$79,182,897

Vote 5—Grants..........$1,527,732,810

(Votes 1 and 5 agreed to on division)

PACIFIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGENCY OF CANADA

Vote 1—Operating expenditures..........$30,007,662

Vote 5—Grants and contributions..........$146,993,207

(Votes 1 and 5 agreed to on division)

SOCIAL SCIENCES AND HUMANITIES RESEARCH COUNCIL

Vote 1—Operating expenditures..........$50,025,991

Vote 5—Grants..........$1,351,984,353

(Votes 1 and 5 agreed to on division)

STANDARDS COUNCIL OF CANADA

Vote 1—Payments to the Council..........$18,912,125

(Vote 1 agreed to on division)

STATISTICS CANADA

Vote 1—Program expenditures..........$945,504,203

(Vote 1 agreed to on division)

The Chair Liberal Ben Carr

Colleagues, with that, I will take your direction to report the main estimates on the committee's behalf back to the House. I'm just looking for agreement on that.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

An hon. member

On division.

The Chair Liberal Ben Carr

Okay.

With that, colleagues, thank you for the great afternoon we've spent together, as always.

As I said, Madam Dancho will be in the chair on my behalf on Thursday so that I can attend a service in my riding, but I'm very confident that we will continue to have a productive set of conversations.

With that, the meeting is adjourned.