I'll make my point quickly.
First of all, we don't get SADI. We've not applied for SADI at this point. But we have been partners in TPC and DIPP, and as I said, we've paid back.
But leaving that aside, I agree with you that's not the major benefit. It's risk-sharing, and if a highly risky proposition pays off—which it has done in this sector—it's a good return to the taxpayer right there. But that's not the heart of the program. If you wanted to do that, you just become a bank.
The returns to the country are in jobs—high-quality, sustained employment in a globally competitive sector. It generates the capacity to take risks on a scale that actually generates jobs. The CSeries, for instance, is now creating 1,000 jobs. It will create roughly 4,500 jobs when it's in production. These are jobs, as others have said, that will last for decades. They're not make-work; they are real, and they bring back all the benefits that high-quality employment brings.
The other thing it creates, as Nathalie said, is innovation. Innovation is contagious. This is the other thing, I think, that is important to remember. The technology we develop for our products is actually transferable to other products. We may be focused on one thing, but it's generic.
I'll close with an example that may be a little weird to you, but as I've said, we're also in the railway business. We build railcars. In Thunder Bay, we have a world-class production facility that makes aluminum railcars. This is a unique technology. The reason we can do this in Thunder Bay is that we have developed aluminum technologies in the aerospace industry. So the multiplier effect of these technologies is sometimes more subtle and a little harder to see than you would think, but they're substantial.