With respect to the numbers there, we received some of that from Interpol through ICC. I will agree that it is hard to determine the numbers. From my experience, and I've been doing investigations for CSA for about 30 years, it's only in the last five years that I've really seen growth in the counterfeiting. That's not to say it hasn't happened; it's that we weren't looking for it. We've been looking at it for a relatively short period of time.
In a lot of cases, even when talking to manufacturers, we've told them to be on the lookout for this. Many times, it's just considered to be bad quality control, or somebody serviced it. And now we're realizing that it could very well be counterfeit.
It's a little difficult to get that. It's just that as you see the proliferation of counterfeits, and even when I go to China and talk with the government people there, they know it's growing, and it's hard to control in that area. Just like the wire, we know the techniques they're using are not going to be safe. So they will eventually lead to problems.