It's a good question.
I was talking about a specific IRAP program. The National Research Council's IRAP program continues to exist, though it's changed. I was specifically referring to the IRAP pre-commercialization assistance program, which was cancelled, as I understand it, in September of 2005. That program, in my view and that of the industries I'm a representative of, was at the key pre-commercialization stage of development. That's the final stage in R and D.
Research is well funded in Canada, but for getting into development and then into pre-commercialization and commercialization, where the economic benefits are, that program was the only one in IRAP and the only federal government program that had really supported that, other than a bunch of bigger programs called TPC, Technology Partnerships Canada.