I want to follow up again, if I could, on the last line of questioning.
Mr. Kilby, I want to come to you with a similar question to what I asked Mr. Elliott. But I first want to lead in by saying that your testimony and what you've talked about with respect to building capacity and the things your organization is doing sound phenomenal. It sounds like exactly what is needed, based on conversations I've had with people who really care about this issue.
Let's be honest: we all want the same thing. We're sitting around this table and we have witnesses coming and arguing both sides of a piece of proposed legislation and we all want the same thing. We all want more help going to people in Africa to solve this significant problem, the number of people who are dying, not only of AIDS, but of all sorts of things that are completely preventable. People dying of diarrhea is completely unacceptable. We need to take steps to address those things.
Could you lead off in that context? Again, commenting on the numbers: 400,000 in 2003 to 5.2 million by the end of 2010 is significant progress.
We're obviously using other means than CAMR to make that progress. We heard in the testimony at the previous meeting that there are several things that are working, and that is a big reason CAMR is simply not being used. It's not necessarily that it's not working, it's just not being used because there are other alternatives.
Again, what was the number of people who are not getting treatment who need to be getting treatment? Can you remind me?