Evidence of meeting #62 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was program.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Bruce Archibald  President, Federal Economic Development Agency for Southern Ontario
Richard Dicerni  Deputy Minister, Department of Industry
Kent Estabrooks  Acting Vice-President, Finance and Corporate Services, Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency
Peter Hogan  Vice-President, Nova Scotia, Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency
Kelly Gillis  Chief Financial Officer, Comptrollership and Administration Sector, Department of Industry

3:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Bonjour à tous. Welcome to the 62nd meeting of the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology.

I am going to introduce our guests in just a moment, but I want to advise you of something. We had a request for documents last time when we had the chief statistician, Wayne Smith, with us. There was an article called “Nonresponse Rates and Nonresponse Bias in Household Surveys”, from which he had quoted some data. The article is 30 pages long, so it falls outside the parameters of translation. As a consequence, we are not going to be distributing it to members. They can access it themselves, I believe, via the Internet, if they want to reference this information. But I just wanted to advise you of that as far as our capability of being able to distribute it is concerned.

Now I'll go on to our witnesses. I'm going to introduce them briefly in the order they appear on the orders of the day.

We have the Minister of State for Science and Technology. He is also responsible for the Federal Economic Development Agency for Southern Ontario. Minister Goodyear, thank you very much for being here.

From the Federal Economic Development Agency for Southern Ontario, we have Bruce Archibald, president, as well as Clair Gartley. From the Department of Industry, we have Richard Dicerni and Kelly Gillis. And please, if I mispronounce your name, catch me right away so that I can correct it for the rest of the meeting. And from ACOA, the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency, we have Kent Estabrooks and Peter Hogan.

Do I have all that correct? Very good.

Other than the minister, does anyone else have opening remarks?

Okay, Minister Goodyear, please go ahead and proceed with your opening remarks. Again, welcome.

3:30 p.m.

Cambridge Ontario

Conservative

Gary Goodyear ConservativeMinister of State (Science and Technology) (Federal Economic Development Agency for Southern Ontario)

Thank you very much, Chair.

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.

With me today is Dr. Bruce Archibald, the president of FedDev, and Clair Gartley, vice-president, business, innovation and community development. As well, on my right is Richard Dicerni, deputy minister, and Kelly Gillis, chief financial officer for Industry Canada.

As many of you know, Prime Minister Stephen Harper launched FedDev Ontario with a $1-billion, five-year mandate to deliver economic development and growth to the region by addressing the unique needs and priorities of workers, our businesses, and our communities in southern Ontario.

The global economic recession has had a significant impact on every region of Canada, including southern Ontario. As Canada's most populous region, it has been hailed the engine of our national economy since the 19th century. But the recession was very difficult, and we are now at a crossroads in our history. The economic downturn hit our manufacturing sector particularly hard, forcing plant closures and widespread layoffs. We were challenged by the impacts to a greater degree than other regions throughout the nation.

With the establishment of FedDev in 2009 our government set out to work with the communities, businesses, and residents of southern Ontario to help reshape the region's economy. Although economic recovery is clearly under way, the economy still remains fragile. We have been working hard to position the region once again as the backbone and driving force of the Canadian economy, and we've accomplished a great deal so far.

We began providing immediate assistance by launching the southern Ontario development program to address short-term, immediate realities by making long-term investments. Through Canada's economic action plan we introduced programs to give families, businesses, and communities a much-needed boost.

I'm very pleased to tell the committee that we have committed more than half a billion dollars in economic funding, which has resulted in some considerable successes in all of our communities. These include support for local arenas and small businesses, and improvements to roads and sewers.

For example, in Windsor, a region hit particularly hard by the recent economic downturn, we helped bring to life a state-of-the-art MediaPlex for St. Clair College. This project has created approximately 250 jobs.

In Guelph, with our help Melitron Corporation, a leading supplier of advanced manufacturing solutions, has implemented lean manufacturing processes, and Hammond Power Solutions has expanded its operations developing leading-edge technologies.

And we've reached out to our communities, our families and children by supporting renovations at the Boys and Girls Club in East Scarborough, as an example.

I could, Mr. Chair, go on literally for days citing examples of the positive impact that FedDev Ontario is having on the southern Ontario economy.

Now, thanks in part to our government's economic action plan, some 240,000 more people in Ontario are working today than in May 2009. While the economy in the region and across Canada is doing better than many other countries, we realize that it isn't just about numbers. It is, in fact, about people. It's about our families, our businesses, and their financial security.

As the economy grows stronger in southern Ontario we are expanding our focus on creating better, longer-lasting, better-quality jobs. We are building on our accomplishments so far by investing in innovation, projects that will help businesses increase their productivity and production and reach new markets here in Canada and around the world.

Our goal now is to develop the right tools to make sure that our businesses and communities can continue to innovate, to grow, both now and into the future. To do this, ladies and gentlemen, we are working right now on what we call the southern Ontario advantage. To ensure regional growth, attract the smartest minds, build and bring to market the most promising ideas, we are now focusing on four key areas.

First is our people advantage. Ladies and gentlemen, you will agree with me that the people of southern Ontario are indeed our greatest asset here. They are knowledgeable, experienced, and talented. But we continue to face pressures from an aging population. We have fewer workers in the skilled trades and we are struggling with the need to retrain employees to use the more technologically driven products to fill those more technologically driven jobs.

While we have a world-class post-secondary education system in southern Ontario, indeed across the country, we fall far behind compared to other OECD countries in degrees that foster innovation. These are degrees in sciences, engineering, and mathematics.

We are building our future talent pool of scientists, engineers, and business leaders through training and mentorships. We're helping graduates prepare for their first interview and at the same time giving local business access to the technical skills and knowledge of these students who can help fuel their innovation capacity.

We are also developing the skills and potential of our people by turning their ideas into products that are competitive in a global marketplace. This is what we're accomplishing through, for example, our new scientists and engineers in business initiative. We are working with not-for-profit organizations and post-secondary institutions that support skills development for recent graduates of sciences or engineering to improve their success at starting up new companies.

The second pillar of our southern Ontario advantage is the knowledge advantage.

Canada, ladies and gentlemen, is ranked 16th among the OECD countries in business expenditures on research and development, as a percentage of our GDP. We recognize this, and there are a number of reasons for this. Mostly what we are hearing around the province is that businesses, small businesses for example, just do not have the research capacity on-site nor the skills to bring innovative products to the marketplace.

We are addressing this through our applied research and commercialization initiative. This is a recently launched $15 million project that will help post-secondary institutions, our colleges and universities, bring new innovations into the marketplace by building partnerships to use their research capacity with our small and medium-sized business sectors.

We are also working through another new program called the technology development program, designed to further bridge the gap that exists between research and commercialization and put in place the conditions where ideas can be nurtured and high-quality jobs can be created. It encourages greater collaboration among post-secondary institutions and not-for-profit groups to bring advanced technologies with commercial potential to the marketplace.

The third pillar on the southern Ontario advantage is wrapped around our entrepreneurial advantage. Our stakeholders have been very clear with us that we need to provide entrepreneurs with access to proper funding to support their ideas and foster a renewed confidence and commitment from the investing world.

We responded to this great need with the launch of a new $190-million investing in business innovation initiative. This is designed to help start-ups bring new products, processes, and practices to market faster, by leveraging angel and venture capital investments in southern Ontario.

But we're also focused on the big picture, the overall picture, of what it will take for Ontario to be competitive with the Chinas and the Indias of the world. This is why we invested up to $210 million to launch the new prosperity initiative. This initiative is designed, of course, to create jobs and strengthen the economy in southern Ontario, but it is doing so by giving our businesses the tools they need to expand into promising new areas, generate opportunities for communities to diversify their existing economies, to help families and individuals as well as small business.

Mr. Chair, I have had the opportunity and pleasure to hear about the challenges facing businesses, industry, and community leaders throughout southern Ontario. Over the last year and a half I think it has become very clear that FedDev Ontario is committed to continuing to respond to the needs that we see around our provinces and build on the initiatives that we now have.

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair and colleagues, for this opportunity. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

Thank you.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Thank you very much, Minister.

I forgot to advise the committee that the minister has until 4:30 and then he'll be departing. The officials have more time after that, if there are more questions.

Now, on to the first round of seven minutes, Mr. Rota.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Rota Liberal Nipissing—Timiskaming, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Secretary of State, for being here, as well as the others. We appreciate your being here.

I'm going to touch on a regional issue, which I bring up every time the minister comes, and I don't get any answers on it. It is regarding FedNor. It's a program, not an agency.

And congratulations to all of you on getting an agency. It's something that northern Ontario would really appreciate, but we seem to be locked up in second-class-citizen status.

The issue I'd like to ask you about is this. I've asked for numbers on FedNor a number of times, and the minister has said yes. He always says we'll get them to you, and he never gets them to us. We got a nice brochure with beautiful pictures from beautiful northern Ontario, but nothing else.

We went to the Library of Parliament and asked if we could get some numbers there. Do you know what the interesting comment from the researcher to my staff was? It was “You know, it would be a lot easier if it were an agency as opposed to a program, because then we could get the information.” So we didn't get much from them.

I am going to ask for a commitment. I was hoping to ask the minister, but I'm sure the secretary of state would be able to commit to this. Could I sit down with the Industry Canada officials for one hour without political staff present, so I could get honest answers and real answers without any source of intimidation? I wonder if I could have that commitment.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Gary Goodyear Conservative Cambridge, ON

Thank you very much for the question, and let me respond.

First of all, as I think you might know, I'm the Minister of State for the Federal Economic Development Agency for Southern Ontario. That does give me the opportunity to travel around Ontario and to understand the needs of these communities.

As Minister of State--

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Excuse me, Minister, we have about three conversations going on around the table. I couldn't hear the minister, and I'm certain that Mr. Rota couldn't hear the answer.

I'm sorry, Minister.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Gary Goodyear Conservative Cambridge, ON

That's not a problem, at all.

As Minister of State for Science and Technology, I get the other beautiful honour to travel around the country and talk to folks. So I will say three things.

One is that I'm going to defer any questions about FedNor to the Minister of Industry--

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Rota Liberal Nipissing—Timiskaming, ON

I'll take that as a no.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Gary Goodyear Conservative Cambridge, ON

--but I have had some fantastic comments when I have travelled to northern Ontario about some of the great programs from FedNor.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Rota Liberal Nipissing—Timiskaming, ON

Mr. Minister, I'll just go to the next question. I'll take that as a no. That will be fine. I understand that.

On page 144 of the supplementary estimates (C), I notice there is $60,000 being transferred to NRC. What is that transfer for, and where is it going?

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Gary Goodyear Conservative Cambridge, ON

Let me defer that to Dr. Archibald.

3:45 p.m.

Dr. Bruce Archibald President, Federal Economic Development Agency for Southern Ontario

Mr. Chair, that money is for operating costs to administer the added funds that we provide to IRAP.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Rota Liberal Nipissing—Timiskaming, ON

Excuse me, Mr. Chair, I can't hear what's going on.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

I don't know what's happening today. We have escalated the conversations quite a bit.

3:45 p.m.

An hon. member

Mr. Wallace is getting excited.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

There were actually about three conversations going on there. Could we keep it down a bit?

Sorry, Dr. Archibald, please continue.

3:45 p.m.

President, Federal Economic Development Agency for Southern Ontario

Dr. Bruce Archibald

Mr. Chair, that $60,000 is for operating costs incurred by NRC for administration of the IRAP program, for which we had given added grants and contributions dollars.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Rota Liberal Nipissing—Timiskaming, ON

Thank you.

On that issue, FedDev is supposed to be an agency that's put in place. There is supposed to be a structure there. My understanding is that IRAP is actually operating that agency. Is that correct?

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Gary Goodyear Conservative Cambridge, ON

I can probably answer that.

When FedDev was first launched, the economic situation in southern Ontario was at critical mass, so within about ten days of taking over the agency.... And I want you to appreciate that this is a brand-new agency. It required us to set up offices. I used to joke that the daytime job was creating jobs and the nighttime job was setting up the offices.

At that time, we looked for partners, folks who already had a great record of moving money into the economy, and IRAP is a great--

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Rota Liberal Nipissing—Timiskaming, ON

I'm very well aware. I understand.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Gary Goodyear Conservative Cambridge, ON

It's important that I explain that to you. We offered them additional funds to move into the economy, which they did, with great help, but that does require operating costs on their part.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Rota Liberal Nipissing—Timiskaming, ON

I understand that, but what infrastructure does FedDev itself have in place? How many employees does FedDev have, and how many were scheduled to be in place by this time?

3:45 p.m.

President, Federal Economic Development Agency for Southern Ontario

Dr. Bruce Archibald

FedDev has 232 employees, and that includes indeterminates, casuals, students, and secondments. The original Treasury Board submission gave authorities for up to 250 employees, so we've moved pretty much to our staffing requirements and are fully operational now.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Anthony Rota Liberal Nipissing—Timiskaming, ON

So you've got 232 employees in place. And how many IRAP employees do you have working with you?

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Gary Goodyear Conservative Cambridge, ON

As I said, we partnered with existing people like IRAP, like the Business Development Bank, like Yves Landry, like CME SMART, like the Ontario Chamber of Commerce. We looked for opportunities to move money quickly into the economy to help create jobs as quickly as possible, so we looked for programs.

We're using the IRAP program as an example. IRAP in your riding, and it's the same in my riding, you know is oversubscribed every year. It's a great program, but there isn't enough money to go around. The economic action plan did a temporary boost of $200 million. We found the need greater, and the opportunity was presented to us to assist IRAP further. Around $45 million was transferred to IRAP to complete some of their needs, and as I say, we worked with those other existing agencies without increasing the size of our administrative costs and bureaucracy—no offence.