All right.
Mr. Julian, simply put, yes, it does demonstrate excessiveness. Of course refiners and others are in for the ride. If they can obtain tonight 23.2¢ a litre as a crude-to-rack spread, that's great when it only costs them 4¢ or 5¢ a litre.
It does have a dislocative effect, but not just in terms of those who are selling the product. Imagine those who have to buy the product, whether that be those in the coffee industry or whether that be airlines who are now going to have to either pass that on to consumers or cut more staff.
The reality is that this will undermine the economic vitality of our country, and if we don't clue in, we're only going to wind up hurting ourselves.
That's all I can do in 30 seconds, Chair.