I recognize that it's contradictory. When we did our labour market survey, we were told overwhelmingly by industry that they're looking for people with five to 10 years of experience, and most grads will come out of university with two years of experience or less. Industry is looking for people who already have experience, mostly because they're trying to fill those gaps. They're looking for people who are going to be able to step very quickly into those leadership positions that Mr. Gamble was talking about earlier.
As a result, we did get that new graduates aren't really the favourite thing for industry. It would be very helpful if there were incentives for industry to hire new grads so that they would be able to train them to have their five to 10 years of experience.
I was very lucky when I graduated just before that group of people who didn't get hired. I was hired in 1989, and I was pushed through very quickly, because they didn't hire people after me. I was it, the junior engineer who needed to learn fast to take a leadership role. I was at the leading edge of that big gap, and industry now is feeling that and wants to find people who have that level of expertise.