Around there, yes.
Evidence of meeting #106 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was content.
Evidence of meeting #106 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was content.
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Liberal
Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC
As a final number, Mr. Campbell, you said two things. First, you are paying $200,000 per year right now in licensing. Is that correct?
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Dr. H.E.A. (Eddy) Campbell
No. It's the cost of our copyright activities.
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Dr. H.E.A. (Eddy) Campbell
Yes. This includes, for example, the salary of our copyright officer—
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Liberal
Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC
You already said that. How much of that is Canadian? How much goes to Canadian producers, out of that $200,000?
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Dr. H.E.A. (Eddy) Campbell
I do not know.
Lesley, can you help with that?
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Liberal
Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC
You don't have to have it right now, but I'd like to know that number.
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Dean, Librairies, University of New Brunswick
That's a figure we could submit, but just to be clear, it doesn't refer exclusively to licensing costs. It includes salary costs as well.
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Liberal
Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC
In that case, I'd just like to know the licensing cost, not the person doing the licensing. I understand that.
Just how much is going out the door, and how much is specifically going to Canadian content.
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Dean, Librairies, University of New Brunswick
It's very hard for academic libraries to determine what's Canadian content—
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Dean, Librairies, University of New Brunswick
—because what we're well aware of is that a lot of Canadian authors aren't writing in Canadian publications. I just want to be clear on the question.
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Liberal
Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC
Why don't we do this then. Tell me how much is going to Canadian publishers because that's what you're representing. Is that right, Ms. Bulger?
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Dr. H.E.A. (Eddy) Campbell
The millions of dollars that we do spend across the country on electronic resources from the largest publishers in the world—Springer Publishing, John Wiley & Sons, Inc., and the like—are full of academics who are writing for other academics to read. Those are typically the uses of those materials, and they're virtually all in electronic form. Part of the reason we see such an intense increase in library costs to universities over time has been this consolidation of publishers—
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Dr. H.E.A. (Eddy) Campbell
—and it gives them a certain power to—
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Liberal
Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC
I get that. I'm looking very specifically to understand the financial impact for Canadian content providers and trying to distill it down to this one group, so if you could work that—
Sorry, go ahead, Ms. Workman.
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Communications Manager, Association of Nova Scotia University Teachers
Another number I have is from Statistics Canada. It says that the data shows that Canadian publishing was largely unaffected by fair dealing, given the other changes taking place in the market. In fact, Canadian publisher operating profit margin has increased since the copyright reform—
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Liberal
Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC
I was a businessman before becoming a politician, so I could have amazing profit margins on $100 of sales, but I'd rather have not such great margins on $100 million.
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Communications Manager, Association of Nova Scotia University Teachers
Fair enough.
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Liberal
Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC
I've heard that statistic.
I'm going to run out of time this round, but I do understand that all three of the universities have expressed a desire to help the Canadian publishing groups.
You said that you're buying New Brunswick books. Is that correct, Mr. Campbell?
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Dr. H.E.A. (Eddy) Campbell
Yes, certainly.
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Liberal
Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC
And Ms. Bourne, you said you're buying two books from every.... Did I get that right?