Evidence of meeting #119 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was materials.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Christine Peets  President, Professional Writers Association of Canada
Nancy Marrelli  Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

You have this crown copyright in your archive. Someone comes along and says, “I'd like to access it”, and it's a big to-do for you because—

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

You can access it in our reading rooms.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

If they physically come....

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

If they don't physically show up, you're effectively making a copy. Is that it?

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

We want to digitize a lot of these materials—

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Oh, you want to digitize them.

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

—because they have historical interest.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Okay. If it's not digitized.... I see.

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

We can't digitize it and put it on the Internet without permission.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

You don't have the right.

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

And it has to go document by document.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

I see.

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

If you want to digitize a folder, which might include 5,000 documents, you have to go document by document to get the permission.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

If I understand it, your archives, the people you represent, have crown copyright documents.

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

Most archives in Canada do have crown copyright.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

They'll have these crown copyright documents. They will be physical documents, a book, say.

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

Right. It could be a letter from an MP to a—

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

If someone wants to see that letter from an MP, they have the right to show up and say, “Show it to me”—

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

—but you don't have the right to copy it and put it out there.

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

That's right.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Even if you wanted to put it out there, you'd have to physically go through every piece to get it....

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

Yes, and if the researcher wants to use the material, they have to get permission from the department.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Each department, too.... It's not even centralized.