Among the things we need to think about in the incentive programs that are out there for growing R and D and the relationships between post-secondary institutions and business is that we probably need to rethink our expectations of the return on an investment.
For instance, new science is important to do, and 30 to 50 years down the road, who knows what it might generate? It also allows us to accumulate a large number of really highly skilled people, but you're never going to be able to say how many things we have commercialized out of it. You're never going to be able to say how much money we actually made out of it. I think that's a wrong way of looking at it.
If you look at some of the incentives for smaller businesses—IRAP, as an example—then the example of how many grants were made, how many businesses were developed out of it, how many products were shipped, what our export ratios are.... Those are all good measures.